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c/t2dglp1·posted 1 year ago by u/not_my_main_nm

anyone else notice hypoglycaemia kicking in around week 8

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Check-in as promised in the title: anyone else notice hypoglycaemia kicking in around week 8.

On hypoglycaemia, because the risk gets attributed to the wrong thing constantly.

Incretin-based agents stimulate insulin secretion in a glucose-dependent way: the effect scales with glycaemia rather than acting unconditionally. That is why monotherapy risk is low. Where risk rises substantially is in combination with agents that lower glucose independently of the current level.

Which means the question "does this cause hypos" is not answerable without knowing the rest of the regimen — and that the person who can answer it is the one who wrote the regimen. Nothing on this board is a substitute for that conversation, and the good threads here end by saying so.

A1c reflects average glycaemia over roughly the preceding three months, weighted towards the most recent weeks. It cannot show variability and it lags any change you make.

Screenshot none of this. Read the whole thread, including the parts where I am told I am wrong.

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u/bianca_dziedzic29 points·1 year ago

Incretin-based agents stimulate insulin secretion in a glucose-dependent manner, which is why hypoglycaemia risk with them alone is low. Risk rises with agents that act independently of glycaemia.

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u/britt_abubakar7 points·1 year ago

A1c is a three-month average and it lags everything

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u/nadia_norgaard10 points·1 year ago

Brought the whole CGM export to my appointment rather than one number. Entirely different conversation.

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u/protein_first_pnutrition8 points·1 year ago

That A1c change is inside the assay’s variability and the interval you measured over is too short.

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u/hassan_ostergaard5 points·1 year ago

Small fix — insulin secretion in this class is glucose-dependent, which is precisely why the risk you describe comes from the other agent.

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u/yannick_barros27 points·1 year ago

hypoglycaemia risk depends far more on what else you take

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u/katrin_girard9 points·1 year ago

Same. The first day of a new sensor is unreliable and people rebuild their whole week around it.

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u/aleksi_eriksen3 points·1 year ago

Same.

Disagreeing with this line: that endpoint is from the obesity programme and does not answer the question.

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u/aleksi_eriksen18 points·1 year ago

Panicked over a first-day sensor reading and rebuilt my week around it. It was the sensor.

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u/katrin_girard8 points·1 year ago

What does time in range look like, not just the average?

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u/cloudy_vial_carol0 points·1 year ago

Is that a first-day sensor reading?

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u/hugo_norgaard6 points·1 year ago

a single high reading is not a trend

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u/emil_okwuosa4 points·1 year ago

a single high reading is not a trend

hugo_norgaard is right that the fasting number moves last. Knowing that in advance saves months of worry.

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u/marisol_moreau1 point·1 year ago

A1c, CGM, or fingersticks — which are we discussing?

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u/nils_ferreira1 point·1 year ago

Variability dropped before the average did, which was visible on the sensor and invisible on the lab result.

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u/hassan_ostergaard1 point·1 year ago

dose for glycaemic control is not the same conversation as dose for weight

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u/nhs_waitlist_nUK1 point·1 year ago·edited

Correction: that trial is the diabetes programme and the figure you quoted is its glycaemic endpoint, not a weight result.

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