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c/retatrutide·posted 1 year ago by u/quiet_moderator

[Results] 57 weeks, 25kg, and glucagon was the hard part

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57 weeks, 25kg, and glucagon was the hard part, logged the same way every week so the comparison is at least internally fair.

Hard numbers: 57 weeks and 25kg. Anything softer than that is flagged as an impression.

It is a triple agonist at the GLP-1, GIP and glucagon receptors. The glucagon arm is the genuinely novel component and it is the one with the least human outcome data behind it.

Glucagon receptor agonism is associated with increased energy expenditure and with hepatic effects. That is a mechanistic story with strong preclinical support and limited phase 2 human data.

Please do not ask me what dose you should be on. I genuinely do not know and neither does anyone else here.

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u/incretin_ivyMOD1.3k points·1 year ago

Standing reminder in every thread here: unapproved compound, research material is not for human use, nothing on this board is medical advice.

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u/signe_villalobos526 points·1 year ago

Nothing containing this compound is approved anywhere. Research-use-only material is not approved for human use, and that is a statement of fact rather than a disclaimer.

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u/quiet_moderatorOPmod-28 points·1 year ago

wait for phase 3 before you argue about rankings

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u/matias_falk569 points·1 year ago

Watched heart rate on a wearable across twelve weeks because the threads said to. It moved a little and I have no idea whether that means anything.

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u/quiet_moderatorOPmod311 points·1 year ago

Correction: TRIUMPH is the phase 3 programme. The number you are quoting is from the phase 2 readout, which is a different trial.

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u/quiet_moderatorOPmod180 points·1 year ago

Is that the 48-week figure or an earlier readout?

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u/ewan_marchand181 points·1 year ago·edited

Correction: TRIUMPH is the phase 3 programme.

This is the sentence the rest of the board should read first. Phase 2 is not a label.

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u/soren_nkemelu584 points·1 year ago

the TRIUMPH programme is still running, so anything definitive is premature

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u/solene_ilunga351 points·1 year ago

The reflux profile felt different rather than worse. Hard to describe and impossible to quantify, so take it as an impression.

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u/nausea_notesside effects111 points·1 year ago

a lot of the confident posting here is extrapolation

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u/jarno_cabrera37 points·1 year ago

nothing here is available as a prescription product, so read every thread with that in mind

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u/yannick_barros11 points·1 year ago

comparing reta phase 2 to sema phase 3 is comparing different things

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u/jarno_cabrera8 points·1 year ago

The thing that surprised me was how much of the discussion here is inference rather than measurement.

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u/anya_moreau173 points·1 year ago

The reflux profile felt different rather than worse.

Adding the standing caveat: none of this is approved anywhere and research material is not for human use.

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u/two_mil_or_one144 points·1 year ago

Sent a vial to PeptideMeter out of curiosity. Result was 97.6% against a claimed 97.5%, which is the first independent number I had seen for this compound anywhere.

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u/kavya_kravchenko168 points·1 year ago

research-use-only material is not approved for human use, full stop

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u/incretin_ivypharmacology39 points·1 year ago

the glucagon component is why the metabolic story reads differently

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u/emil_wojcik21 points·1 year ago

Small fix — three receptors, not two. GLP-1, GIP and glucagon, and the third one is the reason this compound gets its own board.

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u/lurker_for_years96 points·1 year ago

Adding the standing caveat: none of this is approved anywhere and research material is not for human use.

Disagree with this specific inference. A 48-week readout does not tell you the shape of the curve after it.

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u/careful_gradient32439 points·1 year ago

The standing caveat, written out properly because it keeps getting compressed into a footnote.

Nothing containing this compound is approved by any regulator. Research-use-only material is not approved for human use. That is not a legal formality on this board — it is why there is so little independent data, why the escalation schedules people post are invented, and why nobody here can answer a dosing question.

What this board can usefully do is read the published trials carefully, log independent purity results, and be honest about how thin the evidence base is. Everything else belongs somewhere with a clinician in it.

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u/baseline_drifteranalytical350 points·1 year ago

Same read. The energy-expenditure mechanism is the interesting bit and it is not established in humans at scale.

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u/nabila_bakken161 points·1 year ago

Agreed on the heart-rate reports. They are consistent enough across the threads to be worth noting, not enough to be a finding.

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u/liver_enzyme_liz130 points·1 year ago

heart rate is the thing people report watching

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u/arne_amankwah156 points·1 year ago

This. The phase 2 result was genuinely large and it was also 48 weeks in a few hundred people.

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u/burned_once_twice53 points·1 year ago

triple agonist — GLP-1, GIP and glucagon, and the glucagon arm is the new part

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u/titration_marshalmod · c/semaglutide16 points·1 year ago

phase 2 data only, and people quote it like it is a label

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u/hugo_pires281 points·1 year ago

Agreed, and the framing that helps is: this is a phase 2 compound with phase 3 running. Everything else is inference.

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u/emil_agyeman205 points·1 year ago

Cosigning the escalation point. Almost every difficult report on this board is from somebody who went up quickly.

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u/reflux_report165 points·1 year ago

the energy-expenditure story is mechanistically interesting and clinically unproven

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Retatrutide: GIP/GLP-1/glucagon triple agonism, the TRIUMPH programme, and the fact that most people discussing it are handling research-grade material with no human-use approval anywhere. Dose-response, heart-rate signal, and the unusually steep phase-2 weight curves get argued about here weekly.

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