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c/labresults·posted 1 year ago by u/yara_mensah

[Discussion] we are measuring test results at the wrong time and calling it noise

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Something I keep coming back to: we are measuring test results at the wrong time and calling it noise.

Split one vial between Janoshik and VendorInvestigate. The two numbers were within half a point of each other and I stopped worrying about which lab to trust.

Date of analysis anchors the result to a manufacturing period. A two-year-old result is evidence about two years ago and should be read that way.

Chain of custody is why member-funded testing is worth more than a supplied certificate: the vial tested is the vial that arrived at a member’s door.

Screenshot none of this. Read the whole thread, including the parts where I am told I am wrong.

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u/usp_appendixcompendial221 points·1 year ago

A series across separate lots estimates a process. Repeat tests on one lot estimate the measurement. Both are useful and they answer different questions.

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u/rina_bergstrom85 points·1 year ago

Kept every report as a PDF with the batch in the filename. Two years in, it is the most useful folder I own.

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u/marisol_moreau40 points·1 year ago

net peptide content if the report gives it, and say which you are quoting

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u/rina_bergstrom31 points·1 year ago

net peptide content if the report gives it, and say which you are quoting

Adding the boring but useful bit: say whether you paid for it. It is the basis of the whole log.

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u/priya_ogunleye-8 points·1 year ago·edited

Careful with the trend claim. Four results over two years is a very sparse series to draw a line through.

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u/medutest_melMOD168 points·1 year ago

Left up and added to the vendor source page log. Thanks for paying for it and posting it.

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u/milos_trevino208 points·1 year ago

the trend across lots is worth more than any single figure

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u/yara_mensahOP122 points·1 year ago

Batch number and date of analysis?

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u/yara_mensahOP115 points·1 year ago

Is that the same lot as the one in the thread from last month?

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u/yara_mensahOP69 points·1 year ago

How many separate lots does your series cover?

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u/noor_cardoso155 points·1 year ago

Right, and a point or two between services is ordinary. It is agreement, and every month somebody posts it as a scandal.

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u/diego_szabo121 points·1 year ago

three lots beats three tests on one lot

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u/scam_taxonomyc/scamalerts118 points·1 year ago

On inter-lab disagreement, which generates more heat here than anything else.

Two services running different gradients, integrating differently, at possibly different wavelengths, will not produce identical numbers on the same material. A point either way is ordinary. Half a point is close agreement.

The productive response to a gap that size is to post both results with both methods and let the log accumulate. The unproductive response is to pick the lower number, call it the truth, and open a dispute. Members have done the first for long enough now that the bands in the vendor tables are genuinely informative.

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u/mateusz_mensah85 points·1 year ago

What was the claim on the certificate you are comparing against?

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u/jonas_cardoso106 points·1 year ago

Not convinced by the comparison. Different services, different gradients, and you are treating one as ground truth.

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u/clara_weiss37 points·1 year ago

the log is cumulative, that is the whole value of it

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u/valeria_girard73 points·1 year ago

post the claim next to the result or the number floats

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u/peptidemeter_pat21 points·1 year ago

Yes — date of analysis, because a result from two years ago describes a different manufacturing month.

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u/valeria_girard30 points·1 year ago

date of analysis matters as much as the number

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u/hugo_pires19 points·1 year ago

That reading assumes area percent and net peptide content are the same number. They are not, and the report says which it is.

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u/greta_nilsen36 points·1 year ago

post the claim next to the result or the number floats

Agreed — and two services on one batch is the strongest thing any of us can produce individually.

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u/gustav_cardoso0 points·1 year ago

Agreed — and two services on one batch is the strongest thing any of us can produce individually.

This is why the template has a batch field. Without it the result is about a vial nobody can identify.

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u/insulin_syringe_ian1 point·1 year ago

Inter-lab variance on this assay runs roughly a point either way, driven mostly by gradient and integration. Two results inside that band agree; they do not disagree quietly.

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u/matias_falk39 points·1 year ago

results without method are gossip with decimals

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u/throwaway_44b132 points·1 year ago

inter-lab variance runs a point or two, plan your outrage accordingly

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u/usp_appendixcompendial22 points·1 year ago

Have now spent more on testing than on some of the orders. No regrets — the log is the reason I can buy without agonising.

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u/nayeli_iyer18 points·1 year ago

I would not post that as a finding. It is a single result and the template asks you to say so.

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u/rina_sobczak38 points·1 year ago

The template is vendor, compound, batch, service, claim, result, and who paid. Every one of those fields exists because a result missing it has been argued about here before.

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u/meera_sandvik28 points·1 year ago

JEEP BPC, batch matched the paperwork, VendorInvestigate came back 97.5% against a claimed 97.0%. Paid for it myself, posting it because the log is only worth anything if people do.

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