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c/labresults·posted 2 years ago by u/kenji_demir

[Lab] 5th independent test on HJ — 99.2% on a claimed 99.0%, and the trend is the interesting part

Lab Well Actually ×4 Clean Column ×2 Cold Box ×2

Title says it — 5th independent test on HJ — 99.2% on a claimed 99.0%, and the trend is the interesting part — so here is the boring supporting detail that makes it worth anything.

The relevant figures are 99.2% and 99.0%, and they come from the same log I have kept the whole time.

Tested three lots over a year rather than three vials from one lot. Cost the same and told me something completely different.

First result I ever posted here got asked for the batch number and the claim. Fair, and my posts have been better ever since.

Research-use-only material is not approved for human use and nothing here should be read as a recommendation to use it.

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u/bpc_scepticresearch peptides521 points·2 years ago

A series across separate lots estimates a process. Repeat tests on one lot estimate the measurement. Both are useful and they answer different questions.

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u/meera_sandvik-14 points·2 years ago

Push back: three tests on one lot is one lot. It tells you about that lot and almost nothing about the next one.

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u/refund_ledger340 points·2 years ago

Is that the same lot as the one in the thread from last month?

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u/yara_bakken0 points·2 years ago

if you are going to test, test the thing you actually received

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u/piotr_nascimento255 points·2 years ago

A series across separate lots estimates a process.

This is why the template has a batch field. Without it the result is about a vial nobody can identify.

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u/lukas_vermeulen135 points·2 years ago

Yes. Two services on the same batch is the strongest thing an individual member can produce, and it is not expensive.

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u/asks_dumb_questions412 points·2 years ago

split a vial across two services once and you will never argue about ground truth again

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u/yara_bakken186 points·2 years ago·edited

split a vial across two services once and you will never argue about ground truth again

Disagreeing with this line: that gap is ordinary variance, not a contradiction between the lab and the certificate.

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u/usp_appendixcompendial100 points·2 years ago·edited

Small fix — same supplier, different lot. The two rows in the log are not the same batch.

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u/lina_almeida67 points·2 years ago

Right, and a point or two between services is ordinary. It is agreement, and every month somebody posts it as a scandal.

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u/yusuf_kirchner323 points·2 years ago

Kept every report as a PDF with the batch in the filename. Two years in, it is the most useful folder I own.

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u/hugo_pires105 points·2 years ago

Yes — date of analysis, because a result from two years ago describes a different manufacturing month.

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u/marisol_moreau88 points·2 years ago

GL Biochem came back 99.3% on a claimed 99.0%, which is agreement not a discrepancy

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u/kenji_demirOP199 points·2 years ago

a result with no batch number is about a vial nobody can identify

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u/piotr_nascimento163 points·2 years ago

Not convinced by the comparison. Different services, different gradients, and you are treating one as ground truth.

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u/usp_appendixcompendial458 points·2 years ago

How to build a series that means something, if you are going to spend money on testing anyway.

Three tests on one lot tells you about your measurement. Three tests on three lots, spread over a year, tells you about a process. The second is the one worth paying for and it costs the same.

Buy small, keep the batch numbers, send one vial per lot, and post each one with the claim next to it. After four or five you have something no individual review can give you: a band, a direction and a date range. That is what the source pages are made of.

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u/rina_sobczak253 points·2 years ago

Correction: that is the claimed figure, and the measured one is the higher of the two in your own screenshot.

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u/arne_restrepo184 points·2 years ago

Split one vial between Medutest and PeptideMeter. The two numbers were within half a point of each other and I stopped worrying about which lab to trust.

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u/medutest_melMOD76 points·2 years ago

Merged with the other thread on the same batch so the results sit together.

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u/fatima_wojcik186 points·2 years ago

Agreed on quoting the claim alongside the result. Half the arguments here are two people comparing to different reference numbers.

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u/hedda_aguirre89 points·2 years ago

Disagree that this is a discrepancy. 99.4% against a claimed 99.0% is inside ordinary inter-lab variance in either direction.

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u/camila_kowalski60 points·2 years ago

That service reports area percent by default. Worth stating, since the thread has been comparing it to a mass figure.

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u/kenji_demirOP70 points·2 years ago

Sent a vial in specifically to check a supplier’s claim after a good experience. It matched. Boring result, worth logging.

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u/thandi_solberg18 points·2 years ago

the trend across lots is worth more than any single figure

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u/kenji_kimani85 points·2 years ago

GGPeps BPC, batch matched the paperwork, VendorInvestigate came back 99.6% against a claimed 99.0%. Paid for it myself, posting it because the log is only worth anything if people do.

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u/mateusz_mensah67 points·2 years ago

date of analysis matters as much as the number

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u/aussie_pbs_watchAU53 points·2 years ago

Careful with the trend claim. Four results over two years is a very sparse series to draw a line through.

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u/aurel_mwangi81 points·2 years ago

Which service, and did you pay for it yourself?

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u/kenji_demirOP63 points·2 years ago

one result is a data point, agreement between two services is evidence

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