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c/intlshipping·posted 4 months ago by u/rohan_steiner

[Discussion] can we stop arguing about EMS until somebody posts a number

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can we stop arguing about EMS until somebody posts a number, and I want the answer with the reasoning attached rather than just the conclusion.

Kept a spreadsheet of quoted versus actual across a year. The quote held; the variance was all in the last mile.

Four observations is not a distribution. The lane tables here only became predictive once individual routes had a dozen or more reports behind them.

Same lane, four orders, 14 to 12 days, all four within a couple of days of the quote. That consistency is the actual finding.

Please do not ask me what dose you should be on. I genuinely do not know and neither does anyone else here.

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u/cato_girard402 points·4 months ago

A quoted lead time is a commitment you can evaluate. Measuring quoted against actual across several orders tells you more about an operation than the raw speed does.

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u/week_one_wanda-16 points·4 months ago

Right, and the last mile is where my variance has always come from, not the international leg.

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u/swirl_dont_shakereconstitution1 point·4 months ago

summer and winter are different lanes with the same name

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u/lane_watchermod · logistics252 points·4 months ago

the median is more useful than the fastest anybody ever got

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u/sten_bhattacharya367 points·4 months ago

I would not read a single slow shipment as a lane change. Post it and let the median move if it is real.

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u/fatima_asante268 points·4 months ago

The rigid outer with no rattle in it was the thing that told me most about that supplier, before I had tested anything.

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u/week_one_wanda173 points·4 months ago

This. A quoted lead time that holds is worth more than a fast one that does not.

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u/lukas_delgado128 points·4 months ago

Median transit is the useful statistic. The minimum is a story about one shipment and the mean is dragged around by a single hold.

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u/nausea_notesside effects94 points·4 months ago

Packaging is assessable on arrival with no equipment: rigid outer, no movement inside, the cold element sized to the transit rather than to the box.

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u/rohan_cardoso31 points·4 months ago

the lane is the unit of analysis, not the supplier

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u/ireland_drugs_pay26 points·4 months ago

Ordered from the warehouse in Ireland instead of origin and the whole customs question disappeared. 6 days, door to door.

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u/honest_syringe1918 points·4 months ago

Yes — median rather than best case. The fastest anybody ever got is not a plan.

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u/rohan_steinerOP60 points·4 months ago

Small fix — shipped from the regional warehouse, not from origin, which is why the number looks unusual.

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u/graph_it_gary76 points·4 months ago

no tracking numbers, ever

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u/protein_first_pnutrition0 points·4 months ago

no tracking numbers, ever

This is why the lane table is organised the way it is. The supplier is not the unit.

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u/zaid_balogun76 points·4 months ago

Regional stock replaces an international lane with a domestic one. That is a structural change to the distribution, not a marginal improvement, and it is why the warehouse question matters more than the carrier question.

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u/week_one_wanda53 points·4 months ago·edited

Posted my first lane report here without the month and got asked for it. Fair, and the table is better for the fussiness.

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u/lane_watcherMOD56 points·4 months ago

Asked for the month rather than removing. Without it the report cannot be compared to anything.

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u/britta_boateng47 points·4 months ago

Total transit decomposes into first mile, international leg, clearance and last mile. Only the first two are meaningfully under the shipper’s control and most reported variance sits in the last two.

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u/nora_ramos22 points·4 months ago

reship policy in writing before you order

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u/rohan_steinerOP32 points·4 months ago

Same lane in a different season for comparison?

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u/ismael_varga21 points·4 months ago·edited

Push back: comparing a July transit with a February one on the same lane is not a comparison.

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u/micro_bump_mick16 points·4 months ago

Careful — the supplier does not control the last mile and most of your variance is in it.

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u/joaquin_stanescu47 points·4 months ago·edited

rigid outer packaging is the cheapest quality signal there is

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u/rohan_steinerOP30 points·4 months ago

Correction: that was clearance time, not carrier time. The lane table separates them for exactly this reason.

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u/chidi_demir10 points·4 months ago

regional stock changes everything about transit

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u/tarek_lokken4 points·4 months ago

regional stock changes everything about transit

Adding the field everyone forgets — the month. Without it the report is not comparable to anything.

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u/lina_adebayo29 points·4 months ago

ask which lines are actually held in the regional warehouse

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u/freya_baptista17 points·4 months ago

A lane is an origin, a destination, a carrier and a season. Change any one and the distribution changes, which is why supplier-level shipping averages are close to meaningless.

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u/soren_yildiz11 points·4 months ago

That is the quoted lead time, not the observed transit. Both belong in the report and they are different columns.

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