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c/hplc·posted 2 years ago by u/ravi_bergstrom

how much of what we believe about HPLC actually comes from gradient threads

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how much of what we believe about HPLC actually comes from gradient threads, and I want the answer with the reasoning attached rather than just the conclusion.

Gave the same trace to two people I trust and got two integrations about a point apart. That was the most educational afternoon I have had here.

Carryover from a previous high-concentration injection looks exactly like a small impurity. The blank injection is four minutes and it removes the ambiguity entirely.

Chased a ghost peak for three weeks. It was the plumbing. It is always the plumbing.

Please do not ask me what dose you should be on. I genuinely do not know and neither does anyone else here.

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u/runa_cabrera544 points·2 years ago·edited

Mass spectrometry answers identity. UV purity answers relative quantity under the run conditions. A document with one and not the other is answering half the question, and the half it answers should be stated.

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u/yara_boateng463 points·2 years ago

Not convinced by that integration. Dropping the baseline there absorbs part of the shoulder into the main peak.

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u/ravi_bergstromOP315 points·2 years ago

Bought a second-hand instrument and learned more in six months of fixing it than in three years of reading traces.

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u/yara_bakken389 points·2 years ago

integration decisions move the number more than the sample does

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u/ravi_bergstromOP215 points·2 years ago

Small fix — 214nm, not 210. It matters for the comparison you are making with the other run.

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u/step_count_stan123 points·2 years ago

Push back: a longer run is not automatically better resolution. You are trading peak width for time and the ratio is what matters.

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u/insulin_syringe_ian-9 points·2 years ago

I would not blame the sample yet. Everything you have described is consistent with the column rather than the vial.

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u/hugo_bergstrom1 point·2 years ago

the column has a history and it shows in the peak shape

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u/clara_danquah1 point·2 years ago

area percent is relative to what the detector saw and nothing else

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u/ferran_krastev1 point·2 years ago

reproducibility beats resolution if you only get one of them

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u/ravi_bergstromOP1 point·2 years ago

Correcting myself upthread: I said the gradient was linear and looking again it has a hold in the middle.

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u/samir_falk1 point·2 years ago

system suitability before you believe any number on the run

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u/ferran_krastev0 points·2 years ago

Not convinced by that integration.

yara_boateng is right — the integration choice is a decision and it should be stated alongside the result.

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u/erez_yilmaz1 point·2 years ago

Is that baseline drawn by the software or by hand?

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u/rina_nascimento311 points·2 years ago

Disagree. Inter-lab spread of a point or two on this assay is ordinary and calling it a discrepancy misleads people.

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u/ahmed_rasmussen219 points·2 years ago

Agreed, and it is why FGP printing the column and gradient on the certificate is genuinely useful rather than decorative.

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u/nora_lundgren108 points·2 years ago

Agreed, and it is why FGP printing the column and gradient on the certificate is genuinely useful rather than decorative.

Disagreeing with this bit: that spread is ordinary inter-lab variance, not a disagreement about the material.

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u/ahmed_rasmussen30 points·2 years ago

A shoulder that does not baseline-resolve cannot be quantified honestly. You can report it as an unresolved shoulder, which is useful information, or you can develop the method until it resolves.

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u/insulin_syringe_ian56 points·2 years ago

This. A shoulder that does not baseline-resolve is a question, not a quantity.

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u/yara_boateng128 points·2 years ago

a shoulder is not an impurity until you can resolve it

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u/ewan_zielinski78 points·2 years ago

Careful — you are treating retention time as identity. Two things can co-elute and the trace will not tell you.

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u/alcohol_aversion64 points·2 years ago

ghost peak, check the plumbing first, it is always the plumbing

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u/hplc_hobbyistMOD115 points·2 years ago

Method questions stay here; supplier claims go to c/vendorvetting with a document attached.

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u/yara_bakken61 points·2 years ago

That is area percent, not mass percent. The trace cannot give you the second one.

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u/aksel_palacios51 points·2 years ago

Retention time shifted 0.4 minutes and I assumed the worst. It was the column temperature.

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u/sofia_petrescu152 points·2 years ago

How old is the column and roughly how many injections has it seen?

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u/cagrilintide_enthusiast48 points·2 years ago

two labs, two gradients, two honest answers

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u/santiago_villalobos20 points·2 years ago

LC-MS for identity, UV for relative quantity

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