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c/trialwatch·submitted 10 months ago by u/enzo_ferrari

three years of SURMOUNT threads, summarised so you do not have to read them

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Posting this as a discussion rather than a claim: three years of SURMOUNT threads, summarised so you do not have to read them. Relative risk reduction without the baseline rate is uninterpretable. A large relative reduction on a small absolute risk is a small absolute benefit. Open-label extensions lose their…

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u/heart_rate_bump2 points·10 months ago

How to read one of these papers in fifteen minutes, in the order that actually helps.

Start with the registered protocol and check the primary endpoint against what is reported. Then the methods: who was included, what the comparator was, how long the randomised phase ran. Then the discontinuation numbers, which are a tolerability result and are usually in a supplementary table.

Only then the efficacy figure, and read the interval rather than the point estimate. Finish with the limitations section, which is where the authors say what they actually think.

Fifteen minutes, and you will know more than any thread summarising it.

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u/rania_salinas1 point·10 months ago

A confidence interval is the range of effects compatible with the data. Two trials with overlapping intervals have not disagreed, whatever their point estimates look like next to each other.

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u/hsa_math1 point·10 months ago

Disagree — that figure is from the diabetes programme and you are quoting it as an obesity endpoint.

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u/yusuf_achebe1 point·10 months ago

The discontinuation numbers were the most useful thing in the paper for me and they were in a supplementary table.

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u/aurel_mwangi1 point·10 months ago

STEP is semaglutide obesity, SURMOUNT is tirzepatide obesity, they are not interchangeable

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u/forest_plot_fionastats-20 points·10 months ago

the confidence interval is the finding, the point estimate is the headline

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u/iman_castellanos1 point·10 months ago

Push back: an open-label extension tells you about the people who stayed. That is a different question.

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u/bastian_ekstrom1 point·10 months ago

Agreed on comparators. "Superior" means nothing until you know superior to what and at what dose.

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u/karl_fischer_kev1 point·10 months ago

Discontinuation rates are a tolerability result. A trial with a strong efficacy number and heavy discontinuation is telling you two things and people only quote one.

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u/slow_logbook_notes301 point·10 months ago

This. Intention-to-treat versus completer analysis routinely moves the headline by several points.

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