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c/retatrutide·submitted 9 months ago by u/yara_lindholm

[Question] TRIUMPH — what am I missing here

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TRIUMPH — what am I missing here. If this has been answered properly somewhere, link me and I will delete. Read the phase 2 paper twice before ordering anything. Recommend that to anyone in this board: the error bars are the interesting part. The fatigue profile felt different rather than worse. Hard to describe and…

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u/reflux_report234 points·9 months ago

comparing reta phase 2 to sema phase 3 is comparing different things

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u/signe_villalobos66 points·9 months ago

It is a triple agonist at the GLP-1, GIP and glucagon receptors. The glucagon arm is the genuinely novel component and it is the one with the least human outcome data behind it.

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u/rosa_almeida18 points·9 months ago

Independent purity testing on this compound is thin compared with the older molecules, simply because fewer members have paid for it. Fewer results means wider uncertainty, not a verdict.

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u/yara_lindholmOP154 points·9 months ago·edited

Correcting my own comment above: that figure was the 36-week interim, not the 48-week endpoint.

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u/careful_gradient3276 points·9 months ago

Correcting my own comment above: that figure was the 36-week interim, not the 48-week endpoint.

Agreed, and the glucagon arm is exactly why the comparison threads do not work.

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u/solene_ilunga129 points·9 months ago

nothing here is available as a prescription product, so read every thread with that in mind

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u/emil_wojcik154 points·9 months ago

Correction: TRIUMPH is the phase 3 programme. The number you are quoting is from the phase 2 readout, which is a different trial.

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u/sena_teixeira53 points·9 months ago

Same read. The energy-expenditure mechanism is the interesting bit and it is not established in humans at scale.

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u/bilal_osei180 points·9 months ago

The phase 2 readout ran to 48 weeks in a few hundred participants with a slow escalation. Both the size and the duration matter when people quote the headline number.

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u/sofia_wikstrom46 points·9 months ago

Went up slowly, deliberately, because everything on this board says the escalation is where trouble lives. Uneventful so far and I am not going to pretend that is a finding.

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