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c/trialwatch·posted 6 months ago by u/tove_ogunleye

[Meta] the FLOW rule is doing its job and people should stop complaining

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the FLOW rule is doing its job and people should stop complaining. This affects how posts get sorted and removed, so it belongs in the open.

The discontinuation numbers were the most useful thing in the paper for me and they were in a supplementary table.

Compared myself to a trial mean for about six months before realising the trial arm had dietitian contact every fortnight.

Started keeping the trial identifiers straight in a note file because I kept mixing up two programmes in the same sentence.

Sceptical readings welcome. The confident ones are the ones I distrust.

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u/oskar_ibarra75 points·6 months ago

A confidence interval is the range of effects compatible with the data. Two trials with overlapping intervals have not disagreed, whatever their point estimates look like next to each other.

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u/tove_ogunleyeOP31 points·6 months ago

check who the comparator was before you compare anything

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u/tove_ogunleyeOP19 points·6 months ago

Which trial, and which arm?

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u/tb500_tangent0 points·6 months ago

Not convinced. Cross-trial comparison between two programmes with different populations and designs is not a comparison.

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u/milan_mensah1 point·6 months ago

Not convinced.

Disagreeing with this line: that is a relative reduction and the absolute numbers are considerably less dramatic.

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u/line_demir44 points·6 months ago

Intention-to-treat analyses everybody randomised regardless of what they did afterwards. Completer analyses only those who finished. The second is systematically more flattering and both are legitimate if labelled.

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u/nils_tulloch33 points·6 months ago

Discontinuation rates are a tolerability result. A trial with a strong efficacy number and heavy discontinuation is telling you two things and people only quote one.

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u/hub_opssite staff40 points·6 months ago·edited

a mean is not a promise

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u/hazard_ratio_halstats26 points·6 months ago

What was the comparator?

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