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c/scamalerts·posted 2 years ago by u/careful_gradient

fake COA — 23 things I got wrong before I got it right

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fake COA — 23 things I got wrong before I got it right, and I am aware this is a minority view on this board.

The checks I run before sending money anywhere new, in order, and none of them cost anything.

Domain first, character by character, pasted rather than typed. Then registration age against the claimed trading history. Then a request, in writing, for a batch-specific certificate for the lot they would ship — not the catalogue document.

Then a small order, tested independently. Only after that a real one. This sequence has cost me a handful of small orders and it has never once cost me a large one, which is the whole point.

Why this board insists on dates and documents rather than names.

A report that says "X is a scam" is unfalsifiable and unactionable. A report that says "ordered on this date, paid this way, asked for a batch document on this date, received this reply, nothing since" can be checked, corroborated, or corrected by somebody with a different experience.

The second kind has repeatedly turned out to be a shipping problem, a payment window, or a misread email. The first kind never turns into anything except an argument, and when it is wrong the cost falls on somebody real.

The group-buy structure, described neutrally, because the arguments here always get personal.

One person collects money, places one order, receives it, splits it and forwards it. That structure concentrates payment, custody and communication in a single point with no contract, no escrow and no recourse designed in. It is not an allegation about any organiser to say so.

What follows from it: the failure mode is silence rather than dispute, the people exposed have no visibility, and there is nothing to escalate to. If you take part, take part knowing the shape of what you have agreed to.

Research-use-only material is not approved for human use and nothing here should be read as a recommendation to use it.

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u/scam_taxonomyc/scamalerts596 points·2 years ago

A report is useful here when it carries dates, the exact domain, what was requested, what arrived and what did not. Everything else is atmosphere.

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u/ledger_modmod · vetting325 points·2 years ago

Yes — describe the sequence of events with dates. That is a report. Adjectives are not.

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u/whois_wandaMOD166 points·2 years ago

Left up. It carries dates, a domain and a document trail, which is what a report on this board looks like.

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u/ismael_pires115 points·2 years ago

Now I buy small from anyone new, test it, and only then commit. It has cost me a few small orders and saved me one large one.

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u/foam_head_fred56 points·2 years ago

That is an accusation about a named individual and it does not belong here in any form.

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u/rui_only_ro206 points·2 years ago

Cloned storefronts copy assets, layout and testimonial text. What they cannot easily copy is a batch-specific document that ties to a lot you can then have tested independently.

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u/stubborn_batchlist_pls59 points·2 years ago

The site had a decade of testimonials and a domain registered in March. That was the entire investigation.

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u/camila_sandvik20 points·2 years ago

screenshots are not evidence, dates and documents are

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u/santiago_rasmussen59 points·2 years ago

Disagree with naming anyone on that basis. One person’s bad month is not a pattern and the sidebar exists for this exact reason.

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u/whois_wanda163 points·2 years ago·edited

Push back: "nobody has tested them" is a fact about this board, not a fact about the company. Say the first one.

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u/meera_oyelaran52 points·2 years ago·edited

Agreed on the no-names rule. It protects the board and it protects people who turn out to be wrong.

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u/careful_gradientOP30 points·2 years ago

Agreed on the no-names rule.

Adding the practical version: buy small from anyone new, test it, then decide.

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u/quiet_moderatormod16 points·2 years ago

pressure to decide today is the oldest signal there is

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u/jarno_cabrera23 points·2 years ago

Nearly paid a cloned storefront. Caught it because one character in the domain was wrong and I paste rather than type.

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u/careful_gradientOP17 points·2 years ago

the review page nobody can find on any other site is a warning

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u/ferran_dahlberg100 points·2 years ago

Not convinced. A payment window that closed is a payment window, not evidence of intent.

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