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c/retatrutide·submitted 2 years ago by u/dead_space_doug

someone explain phase 2 to me like I have not read a paper in years

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Genuine question, and the title is the question: someone explain phase 2 to me like I have not read a paper in years. Stopped at a low step because there was no reason to go further and no data to tell me what further would do. The thing that surprised me was how much of the discussion here is inference rather than…

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u/priya_weiss419 points·2 years ago

Glucagon receptor agonism is associated with increased energy expenditure and with hepatic effects. That is a mechanistic story with strong preclinical support and limited phase 2 human data.

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u/dead_space_dougOP304 points·2 years ago

the glucagon component is why the metabolic story reads differently

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u/andres_sorensen172 points·2 years ago

Yes — the comparison threads are apples to oranges and they generate more heat than anything else here.

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u/isabela_nilsen-22 points·2 years ago

dose escalation in the trials was slow for a reason

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u/yara_lindholm1 point·2 years ago

Sent a vial to VendorInvestigate out of curiosity. Result was 99.1% against a claimed 98.5%, which is the first independent number I had seen for this compound anywhere.

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u/baseline_drifteranalytical1 point·2 years ago

the TRIUMPH programme is still running, so anything definitive is premature

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u/soren_nkemelu1 point·2 years ago

Sent a vial to VendorInvestigate out of curiosity.

yara_lindholm is right about the escalation being the variable. It explains most of the difficult reports here.

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