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c/reconstitution·posted 2 years ago by u/saskia_mwangi

[Discussion] mg/mL is doing more work than we give it credit for

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Something I keep coming back to: mg/mL is doing more work than we give it credit for.

Bacteriostatic water contains benzyl alcohol as a preservative, which is what makes repeated entry into the same vial reasonable. Plain sterile water has no preservative.

If your calculation produces a fraction of a unit, the concentration is wrong for your dose. Change the water volume until the numbers land on whole units.

Aim the stream down the wall of the vial rather than into the cake. Reconstitution is a solubility problem, not a mixing problem, and mechanical shear does nothing helpful.

Corrections welcome, especially the pedantic ones. Pedantry is how this board earns its reputation.

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u/tl_dr_tina143 points·2 years ago

The whole calculation, once, with real numbers.

You have a 10mg vial. You add 3mL of bacteriostatic water. Concentration is mass over volume: 3.33mg/mL. A U-100 insulin syringe is graduated at 100 units per millilitre, so one unit is 0.01mL.

To draw 0.5mg you need 0.5 divided by 3.33 millilitres, which is 15 units on the barrel. Write "3.33mg/mL" on the vial in marker before you put it away, and you never have to do this again for that vial.

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u/bruno_dumitru171 points·2 years ago

Agreed on the swirl. There is no reason to shake it and a good reason not to.

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u/nabila_espinoza-32 points·2 years ago

the number you write down is the number you will trust at 6am

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u/sleep_apnea_sam1 point·2 years ago

Wrote the date on the vial as well as the concentration after losing track of which one was opened first.

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u/bruno_dumitru67 points·2 years ago·edited

Not quite. Bacteriostatic and sterile water are not interchangeable for a multi-draw vial, and the difference is the preservative.

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u/spain_receta33 points·2 years ago

Bacteriostatic or plain sterile water?

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u/mateusz_achebe44 points·2 years ago

How many mg in the vial and how many mL are you adding?

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u/honest_syringe_202519 points·2 years ago

aim the stream at the glass wall, not at the cake

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u/sleep_apnea_sam7 points·2 years ago

the powder cake sits at the bottom, the volume you add is the volume that counts

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u/sofia_danquah10 points·2 years ago

Cosigning the round-number approach. Reconstituting to something awkward is how you end up drawing 27.5 units at six in the morning.

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u/saskia_rahimi16 points·2 years ago

reconstituting at a round concentration makes every later dose easy

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u/quiet_reader_9910 points·2 years ago

That only works if the fill weight is exactly the label weight, and it usually is not exactly anything.

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u/georgi_adebayo0 points·2 years ago

Yes, and the dead-space point is worth repeating: it is small, it is real, and it is the same for every draw.

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u/swirl_dont_shakereconstitution26 points·2 years ago

Research-use-only material is not approved for human use, so treat everything in this thread as arithmetic about solutions rather than instructions for a person.

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u/saskia_mwangiOP11 points·2 years ago

Did the maths give you a whole number of units, or a fraction?

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u/zaid_balogun3 points·2 years ago

dead space in the needle hub is real and it is small

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u/nadia_kjaer2 points·2 years ago

Show the arithmetic — where did the unit figure come from?

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u/saskia_mwangiOP1 point·2 years ago

Started reconstituting everything to a round concentration and the six-in-the-morning error rate went to zero.

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u/saskia_mwangiOP18 points·2 years ago

units are a volume on a U-100 syringe, not a dose

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