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unpopular opinion: most of what gets said here about denial is guesswork

Appeal Long Haul ×1 Well Actually ×2 Cold Box ×2

The title is the argument: unpopular opinion: most of what gets said here about denial is guesswork. Here is the rest of it.

New plan year, entirely new criteria, and the denial that had been immovable in the autumn simply did not apply in January.

Peer-to-peer took fifteen minutes and resolved something a written appeal had been sitting on for a month.

Missed a deadline because I counted from when I opened the envelope. That mistake cost me an entire cycle.

Would rather be corrected in public than confident in private.

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u/emeka_delgado302 points·2 years ago

A denial letter is required to state a reason and to reference the criterion applied. That reference is the handle: request the clinical policy document by its identifier and answer it point by point.

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u/tuva_aalto84 points·2 years ago

the denial letter names the criterion, start there

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[removed]218 points·2 years ago

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u/tuva_kirchner135 points·2 years ago·edited

Yes. Written, always, even when they tell you a phone call is sufficient.

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u/blunt_coldbox_notes259 points·2 years ago·edited

This. Step therapy is a paperwork requirement and it is beaten with documentation, not persuasion.

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u/nnt_nate225 points·2 years ago

A peer-to-peer conversation puts the prescribing clinician in front of a reviewing clinician. It bypasses the correspondence cycle entirely and is often the fastest available route.

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u/dose_diary_danalog keeper180 points·2 years ago

External review, which is the most underused mechanism discussed on this board.

Internal appeals are decided by the plan. External review sends the determination to an independent body. Where it applies its decision binds the plan, and the deadlines to request it are short and strictly enforced.

The two things that trip people up: not knowing it exists, and exhausting the internal levels so slowly that the external window closes. Ask on the first denial what the external route is and what the deadline will be. Availability and rules vary by jurisdiction and plan type, so say where you are when you ask here.

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u/kasper_cabrera104 points·2 years ago

Disagree with the tone strategy. Anger has never moved a determination; matching the criterion has.

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u/prior_auth_painMOD67 points·2 years ago·edited

Staff name removed. Departments and criteria can be named here; individuals cannot.

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u/kian_ferreira35 points·2 years ago

Disagree with the tone strategy.

Agreed — and request the bulletin by number. They have to give it to you.

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u/pavel_nkemelu61 points·2 years ago

Yes — quoting their own policy bulletin back at them is far more effective than arguing in general terms.

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u/hugo_pires25 points·2 years ago

Asked for the policy bulletin by number and wrote the appeal against its criteria line by line. Approved on the second level after a flat first-level denial.

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u/slow_logbook_notes66 points·2 years ago

Step therapy requires documented trial of preferred alternatives. It is not an argument to be won on merits; it is a record to be produced, and the record is what the appeal must contain.

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u/tuva_aalto47 points·2 years ago

the second-level appeal is where things actually turn

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u/honest_syringe1916 points·2 years ago

the second-level appeal is where things actually turn

This is the whole method. Answer the criterion they named, not the decision in general.

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u/hplc_hobbyistruns their own column46 points·2 years ago

Step therapy requires documented trial of preferred alternatives.

Disagreeing with this line: the deadline runs from the letter date and treating it otherwise is expensive.

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u/fabio_kuipers52 points·2 years ago

Kept a log with every date, name of department and reference number. When they claimed no record of a call, I had the reference.

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u/osman_ferrari39 points·2 years ago

Documented eighteen months of what had been tried in a one-page table. That table was the appeal.

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u/idris_iyer26 points·2 years ago

external review exists and almost nobody uses it

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u/osman_ferrari19 points·2 years ago

a peer-to-peer call is often faster than a written appeal

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u/milos_vestergaardOP7 points·2 years ago

Correction: that is a formulary exclusion, not a prior authorisation denial. Different form, different route, different deadline.

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u/maren_sorensen6 points·2 years ago

the formulary is published, read it before you appeal

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u/saskia_rahimi8 points·2 years ago

Push back: your plan is an employer plan, which changes both the appeal path and who the regulator is.

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u/controversial_only17 points·2 years ago

keep every date, every reference number, every name of a department

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u/ignacio_vanhecke7 points·2 years ago

deadlines run from the letter date, not from when you opened it

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u/fabio_kuipers5 points·2 years ago

deadlines run from the letter date, not from when you opened it

Adding the underused one — external review. Independent, binding where it applies, and hardly anybody gets that far.

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u/slow_logbook_notes2 points·2 years ago

Agreed on the plan-year point. Criteria that applied last year may simply not apply now.

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u/amira_dumitru12 points·2 years ago

a template letter that quotes their own criteria back is the strongest one

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u/saskia_rahimi27 points·2 years ago

External review was the thing that finally worked. I did not know it existed until a thread on this board.

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u/adaeze_weiss7 points·2 years ago

Employer plan or individual plan?

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