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c/glp1science·submitted 2 years ago by u/flair_enthusiast

[Discussion] incretin is doing more work than we give it credit for

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incretin is doing more work than we give it credit for — a position I have arrived at slowly and would like tested. Tolerance to the gastric effect develops with continued exposure while the appetite effect largely persists. That single fact explains most of the "it settles but it still works" pattern the side-effect…

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u/katrin_marchetti100 points·2 years ago

receptor agonism is not the same as receptor activation in every tissue

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u/hassan_castellanos24 points·2 years ago

GLP-1 receptor agonism acts both peripherally — insulin secretion in a glucose-dependent way, slowed gastric emptying — and centrally, on appetite regulation. The central component is the better explanation for sustained intake reduction.

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u/rasmus_kimani15 points·2 years ago·edited

Same view. Tolerance developing to the gastric effect while the appetite effect persists explains most of what the side-effect board reports.

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u/anya_salgado35 points·2 years ago

Do you have the paper, or a summary of it?

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u/elodie_grimaldi41 points·2 years ago·edited

receptor distribution is why the side effects are where they are

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u/annika_fonseca48 points·2 years ago

Long half-life in this class comes from structural modification that promotes albumin binding and resists enzymatic degradation. Weekly dosing is a consequence of the molecule, not a convenience decision.

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u/camila_mensa13 points·2 years ago

Which receptor arm are you attributing that to?

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u/wholesome_lurker11 points·2 years ago

Which receptor arm are you attributing that to?

Adding the caveat the paper itself makes in its limitations section, which is stronger than anything in this thread.

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u/flair_enthusiastOP18 points·2 years ago

Does the effect persist with continued dosing or does tolerance develop?

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u/laila_almeida9 points·2 years ago

Is there any human data on that mechanism yet?

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u/karma_irrelevant66 points·2 years ago

The incretin effect is the observation that oral glucose provokes a larger insulin response than intravenous glucose at matched glycaemia, and the difference is mediated by gut hormones. That is the foundation the whole class sits on.

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u/anya_salgado24 points·2 years ago

Correcting my own comment: I attributed that to the GIP arm and the paper attributes it to the GLP-1 arm.

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