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c/coa·posted 2 years ago by u/bastian_moreau

[Lab] 16th independent test on WXT — 99.3% on a claimed 98.5%, and the trend is the interesting part

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16th independent test on WXT — 99.3% on a claimed 98.5%, and the trend is the interesting part. I will put the method line and the batch identifier up front because that is what makes this checkable.

99.3% and 98.5% — those are the numbers, and they are the ones I am willing to defend.

The PDF creation date being later than the analysis date is usually a re-issue or a re-export. It is worth one question and it is not evidence of anything on its own.

Asked WXT for the batch-specific certificate and had the full document — batch, date, method line naming the column — inside six hours. That is now my baseline for everybody.

If somebody has the same thing measured a different way, post it next to mine and we will see whether they agree.

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u/nadia_kjaer147 points·2 years ago

LC-MS gives you identity; UV purity gives you a relative quantity. A document with the first and not the second, or the reverse, is answering half the question.

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u/laila_yilmaz0 points·2 years ago

That is the catalogue certificate rather than the batch-specific one. Same layout, completely different status.

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u/teodor_jansen70 points·2 years ago

the lot on the vial has to match the lot on the page

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u/yusuf_nakamura41 points·2 years ago

identity and quantity are two questions and most documents answer one

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u/certified_referenceQC21 points·2 years ago

water content is on there and everyone skips it

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u/hassan_chowdhury91 points·2 years ago·edited

Ask what the stability statement was written against — temperature, light, and whether it was the lyophilised powder or the reconstituted solution. Those are three different claims.

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u/joaquin_ivaturi81 points·2 years ago

Spent four months confusing area% and mass% in every post I made here. One explainer thread and it clicked permanently.

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u/rohan_steiner32 points·2 years ago

Are the related substances itemised or is it a single total?

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u/wanjiru_varga41 points·2 years ago

Sent one vial to VendorInvestigate and PeptideMeter. 99.6% and a claimed 99.0%. Cost me more than the vial and I would do it again.

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u/bastian_moreauOP25 points·2 years ago·edited

My first certificate had a compound name, a percentage and a logo. I thought that was normal. It is not, and now I know what to ask for.

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u/step_therapy_s15 points·2 years ago

HPLC-UV and LC-MS answer different questions

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u/bastian_moreauOP-17 points·2 years ago

Sent one vial to VendorInvestigate and PeptideMeter.

Agreed, and the practical version is: ask for the itemised table. If it exists, you get it.

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u/tidy_vialdrawer_pls1 point·2 years ago

Disagree that a lower number is automatically worse. A conservative claim that survives testing is worth more than an optimistic one that does not.

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u/foam_head_fred-25 points·2 years ago

a total of 0.4% tells you less than four named impurities adding to 0.6%

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u/bastian_moreauOP1 point·2 years ago

Water content 3.8%, acetate 6.2%, purity 99%, net peptide about 90% of label weight. All four numbers honest, and I had to read it twice.

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u/sunday_shot_sal36 points·2 years ago·edited

Pushing back a little: a missing field is usually presentation, not concealment. Ask for the full document before drawing conclusions.

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u/ignacio_silva27 points·2 years ago

UV at 214nm sees the peptide bond and picks up almost everything; at 280nm you are looking at aromatics only. Which wavelength the number came from is part of the number.

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u/zaid_balogun0 points·2 years ago

The document I was worried about turned out to be a re-issue with a later creation date. Asked, got the original, entirely ordinary.

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u/hassan_chowdhury1 point·2 years ago

Careful — "the metadata looks odd" is a reason to ask a question, not a conclusion. Re-issues are ordinary.

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u/cormac_pereira1 point·2 years ago

I would not read a rounded figure as evasive. Plenty of documents round to one decimal as house style.

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u/yannick_haddad1 point·2 years ago·edited

I would not read a rounded figure as evasive.

Adding the bit that always gets missed: the lot on the vial has to match the lot on the page, or none of this applies to your material.

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u/valeria_girard23 points·2 years ago

Asked for the storage condition behind the stability statement. Got it in a sentence. It is a two-line email and almost nobody sends it.

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u/first_hundredMOD17 points·2 years ago

Left up and flaired Explainer. This is the answer we keep linking, written properly.

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u/receptor_bias_rick13 points·2 years ago

Did you ask for the batch-specific document, or is this the catalogue one?

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u/rohan_steiner9 points·2 years ago

Area percent or net peptide content? They answer different questions.

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u/sofia_danquah8 points·2 years ago

Did you ask for the batch-specific document, or is this the catalogue one?

receptor_bias_rick has the distinction right — one is a fraction of the detector signal, the other is a fraction of the mass.

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u/joaquin_ivaturi3 points·2 years ago

Right, and net peptide content is where the counterion and the water go. Both numbers can be honest and very different.

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