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c/coa·posted 1 year ago by u/clara_danquah

unpopular opinion: most of what gets said here about certificate of analysis is guesswork

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unpopular opinion: most of what gets said here about certificate of analysis is guesswork — a position I have arrived at slowly and would like tested.

LC-MS gives you identity; UV purity gives you a relative quantity. A document with the first and not the second, or the reverse, is answering half the question.

Asked BCH for the batch-specific certificate and had the full document — batch, date, method line naming the column — inside six hours. That is now my baseline for everybody.

Sent one vial to Medutest and Janoshik. 99.1% and a claimed 99.0%. Cost me more than the vial and I would do it again.

Research-use-only material is not approved for human use and nothing here should be read as a recommendation to use it.

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u/anders_kuusela-14 points·1 year ago

Ask what the stability statement was written against — temperature, light, and whether it was the lyophilised powder or the reconstituted solution. Those are three different claims.

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u/dario_vermeulen1 point·1 year ago

That is the catalogue certificate rather than the batch-specific one. Same layout, completely different status.

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u/clara_danquahOP1 point·1 year ago

axis labels included, always

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u/rohan_steiner1 point·1 year ago

chromatogram or it did not happen

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u/valeria_karlsen1 point·1 year ago

net peptide content and purity are two different numbers on the same vial

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u/clara_danquahOP1 point·1 year ago

ask for the storage condition the stability statement was written against

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u/sofia_danquah1 point·1 year ago

Did you get the chromatogram or only the summary line?

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u/ahmed_rasmussen1 point·1 year ago

The PDF creation date being later than the analysis date is usually a re-issue or a re-export. It is worth one question and it is not evidence of anything on its own.

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u/ahmed_rasmussen1 point·1 year ago

area% is not mass%, and the difference is the whole game

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u/clara_danquahOP1 point·1 year ago

Is water content on the document? It changes your concentration arithmetic.

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u/tidy_vialdrawer_watch281 point·1 year ago

the related substances line is where the story is

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u/wrong_network_w366 points·1 year ago

Area percent is the peak area of your compound over the total integrated area, at one wavelength, on one gradient. It is a relative measure of what the detector saw, not a mass fraction of the vial.

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u/nabila_espinoza307 points·1 year ago

identity and quantity are two questions and most documents answer one

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u/tomas_lehtinen292 points·1 year ago

the counterion is part of the mass you paid for

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u/dead_space_doug167 points·1 year ago

Small fix — 214nm, not 280nm. It matters here because the impurity you are asking about barely absorbs at the longer wavelength.

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u/stablecoin_steve118 points·1 year ago

Right, and net peptide content is where the counterion and the water go. Both numbers can be honest and very different.

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u/certified_referenceQC139 points·1 year ago

Started keeping a folder of every certificate I have been sent. The ones that itemise impurities are a small group and they are mostly the same suppliers.

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u/milos_trevino107 points·1 year ago

Related substances itemised individually is a much stronger document than a single total, because it tells you the shape of the impurity profile rather than its size.

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u/andres_restrepo40 points·1 year ago

a certificate with no method line is decorative

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u/purity_pedantMOD265 points·1 year ago

Your name and address edited out of the screenshot above. The batch details are untouched and should stay.

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u/ignacio_silva0 points·1 year ago

Your name and address edited out of the screenshot above.

Agreed, and the practical version is: ask for the itemised table. If it exists, you get it.

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u/anya_moreau106 points·1 year ago

Pushing back a little: a missing field is usually presentation, not concealment. Ask for the full document before drawing conclusions.

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u/hassan_chowdhury51 points·1 year ago

Agreed on asking for the storage condition. It is one line and it changes how you read the entire stability claim.

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u/yusuf_nakamura76 points·1 year ago

Area percent or net peptide content? They answer different questions.

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u/tove_ogunleye177 points·1 year ago·edited

Did you ask for the batch-specific document, or is this the catalogue one?

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u/aleksi_eriksen133 points·1 year ago

Not quite. Two labs with different gradients can resolve a close-eluting impurity differently and both be reporting honestly.

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u/nadia_kjaer87 points·1 year ago

Disagree that a lower number is automatically worse. A conservative claim that survives testing is worth more than an optimistic one that does not.

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u/katrin_girard159 points·1 year ago

Agreed — the itemised related substances table is the difference between a document and a receipt.

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