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c/bloodwork·posted 1 year ago by u/yara_antonsen

reading ALT threads from 2024 and half of it aged badly

Concerning Receipts ×8

Posting this as a discussion rather than a claim: reading ALT threads from 2024 and half of it aged badly.

Why so many single values look alarming and turn out to be nothing.

A reference interval is built to contain about 95% of a healthy reference population, so one test in twenty falls outside one by construction. Add biological variation, assay imprecision, fasting state and time of day, and a genuinely stable person will produce occasional out-of-range results.

That is why repeat testing before acting is standard. Regression to the mean handles most of it. None of which means an out-of-range value should be ignored — it means it should be repeated and taken to somebody who can put it in context, which is emphatically not a ranked feed.

How to make a panel worth comparing, which is most of the value people leave on the table.

Standardise the conditions: same lab, same fasting state, same rough time of day, same point in the week, similar hydration. Take a baseline before you change anything. Repeat any surprising value before acting on it. Change one thing at a time if you want to attribute anything to it.

Do that and a year of panels is a trend. Skip it and a year of panels is a collection of unrelated mornings, which is what most of the alarmed posts here are actually describing.

Panicked about a single result, posted here, got told to repeat it, repeated it, and it was fine.

If somebody has the same thing measured a different way, post it next to mine and we will see whether they agree.

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u/flair_enthusiast146 points·1 year ago

Repeat testing before acting is standard practice for a reason: regression to the mean does a lot of work on single outlying values.

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u/lipid_panel_larryMOD96 points·1 year ago

Left up. It is a question about how to compare panels, not a request for interpretation.

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u/nnt_nate39 points·1 year ago

The confounding problem, stated plainly, because this board keeps stepping on it.

Substantial weight loss moves lipids, liver enzymes, insulin sensitivity markers and several others in its own right. If you are losing weight while taking something, any change in those markers has at least two candidate explanations and you cannot separate them from your own panel.

What you can do is standardise, take a baseline, keep the series long, and be honest in your posts about what is and is not attributable. The threads that say "this compound did X to my fasting insulin" almost never have the design to support the claim, mine included.

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u/milos_trevino24 points·1 year ago

the trend line matters more than any single value

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u/gentle_correctionnice about it33 points·1 year ago·edited

Not convinced by the attribution. Weight loss alone moves that marker and you have no way to separate the two.

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u/thyroid_tangent50 points·1 year ago

Time of day, fasting state, hydration and recent exercise all move common markers. Standardising the draw conditions is free and it removes most of the apparent variability.

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u/yara_antonsenOP22 points·1 year ago

Fasting or not, and what time of day?

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u/mikkel_ogunleye18 points·1 year ago

This. Reference ranges are population intervals, not targets, and conflating them causes a lot of unnecessary alarm here.

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u/iman_falk10 points·1 year ago

Small fix — a reference interval is not a treatment target, and the post above uses them interchangeably.

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u/vito_chowdhury15 points·1 year ago

That is a non-fasting value and the interval you are comparing it against is a fasting one.

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u/customs_seizure_sid5 points·1 year ago

one measurement is a point, two is a line, three is a trend

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u/kenji_kimani-24 points·1 year ago

draw at the same point in the week if you want comparability

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u/britt_marchand-28 points·1 year ago

Brought the whole set to my clinician rather than one flagged value. Completely different conversation.

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u/santiago_szabo1 point·1 year ago

Is that the same assay, or did the lab change platforms?

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u/yara_boateng23 points·1 year ago

Right, and weight loss itself moves several markers, so attribution is harder than these threads assume.

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u/cold_chromatogram3112 points·1 year ago

Agreed. The trend is the signal. A single value is a snapshot of one morning.

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u/elin_varga36 points·1 year ago

Careful — that is a question for whoever ordered the panel, and nobody in this thread can answer it responsibly.

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u/diego_almeida10 points·1 year ago

Cosigning on baseline. The panel I regret most is the one I did not take before starting.

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u/cold_chromatogram317 points·1 year ago

Added ApoB to the panel after a thread here. It told me something the standard lipid panel had been hiding.

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u/ferran_halonen22 points·1 year ago

How many weeks between the two measurements?

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u/osman_eriksen16 points·1 year ago

Nobody here can interpret your panel and this comment is not doing so. What a board can usefully do is help you ask better questions of somebody who can.

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u/jarno_karlsen10 points·1 year ago

Same lab as the previous draw?

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u/yara_antonsenOP4 points·1 year ago

Have you taken this to whoever ordered it?

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u/transit_variance7 points·1 year ago

Reference intervals are typically the central 95% of a reference population. By construction one person in twenty falls outside one on any given test without anything being wrong.

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