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c/bloodwork·posted 2 years ago by u/copay_card_cc

ALT — 4 things I got wrong before I got it right

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Posting this as a discussion rather than a claim: ALT — 4 things I got wrong before I got it right.

Why so many single values look alarming and turn out to be nothing.

A reference interval is built to contain about 95% of a healthy reference population, so one test in twenty falls outside one by construction. Add biological variation, assay imprecision, fasting state and time of day, and a genuinely stable person will produce occasional out-of-range results.

That is why repeat testing before acting is standard. Regression to the mean handles most of it. None of which means an out-of-range value should be ignored — it means it should be repeated and taken to somebody who can put it in context, which is emphatically not a ranked feed.

How to make a panel worth comparing, which is most of the value people leave on the table.

Standardise the conditions: same lab, same fasting state, same rough time of day, same point in the week, similar hydration. Take a baseline before you change anything. Repeat any surprising value before acting on it. Change one thing at a time if you want to attribute anything to it.

Do that and a year of panels is a trend. Skip it and a year of panels is a collection of unrelated mornings, which is what most of the alarmed posts here are actually describing.

Panicked about a single result, posted here, got told to repeat it, repeated it, and it was fine.

If somebody has the same thing measured a different way, post it next to mine and we will see whether they agree.

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u/gustav_cardoso1.4k points·2 years ago·edited

Time of day, fasting state, hydration and recent exercise all move common markers. Standardising the draw conditions is free and it removes most of the apparent variability.

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u/skip_week_sceptic613 points·2 years ago

Correction: that marker is reported in different units by different labs, which explains the tenfold difference you are seeing.

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u/copay_card_ccOP-31 points·2 years ago

That is a non-fasting value and the interval you are comparing it against is a fasting one.

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u/elin_trevino949 points·2 years ago

fasting state and time of day change more than people expect

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u/bac_water_banditreconstitution337 points·2 years ago

weight loss itself moves several of these independently

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u/edit_for_clarity591 points·2 years ago

Brought the whole set to my clinician rather than one flagged value. Completely different conversation.

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u/emil_agyeman442 points·2 years ago

Added ApoB to the panel after a thread here. It told me something the standard lipid panel had been hiding.

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u/lipid_panel_larrybloodwork138 points·2 years ago

Reference intervals are typically the central 95% of a reference population. By construction one person in twenty falls outside one on any given test without anything being wrong.

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u/sanne_novak111 points·2 years ago

I would not draw a line through two points, especially when the second was taken at a different time of day.

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u/nabila_bakken0 points·2 years ago

Push back: a value just outside a reference interval is a common finding in healthy people. It is a reason to repeat.

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