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c/survodutide·posted 11 months ago by u/rania_salinas

[Discussion] MASH is doing more work than we give it credit for

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MASH is doing more work than we give it credit for. Change my mind, genuinely — I have no stake in being right about this.

Spent an evening on the histology scoring system and understood the trial literature far better afterwards.

Sent a vial to PeptideMeter because there was nothing on file. 99.2% against a claimed 99.0%. First entry for this compound in my own log.

The escalation schedules in the published protocols are slow and deliberate, and the tolerability tables show why. That is a description of the trials rather than a suggestion for anybody.

Would rather be corrected in public than confident in private.

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u/julia_mensa36 points·11 months ago

It is a dual agonist at the GLP-1 and glucagon receptors. The glucagon arm is associated with increased energy expenditure and with effects on hepatic fat, which is why the development programme is oriented towards liver disease.

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u/coa_janitormod · c/coa37 points·11 months ago

Which endpoint — histological response, fibrosis improvement, or fat fraction?

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u/incretin_ivypharmacology22 points·11 months ago

Assumed the weight numbers were the point and was corrected. They are secondary to what this is being developed for.

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u/neha_rahimi13 points·11 months ago

Went slowly because everything published describes a deliberate escalation. That is the extent of what I will say about it.

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u/milos_mensa5 points·11 months ago

Asked here what the difference was between the imaging and biopsy endpoints and got a genuinely excellent answer.

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u/tomas_lokken3 points·11 months ago

Yes — histological endpoints are a far harder bar than the surrogate measures people are used to quoting.

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u/draw_up_dizzy13 points·11 months ago

Agreed. The hepatic programme is the point of this compound and the weight discussion is a side effect of the side effect.

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u/trialwatch_theoMOD9 points·11 months ago

Independent result logged. There are almost none for this compound, so it is genuinely valuable.

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u/camila_marchand7 points·11 months ago

Not convinced. Imaging-based fat fraction is not the same as a histological response and the paper is explicit about that.

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u/certified_referenceQC3 points·10 months ago

a liver endpoint is not a weight endpoint with better marketing

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u/laila_yilmaz11 points·11 months ago

Read the phase 2 hepatic paper properly and the endpoint definitions were more interesting than the headline response rate.

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u/refund_ledger7 points·11 months ago

Independent purity results for this compound are very sparse across the whole site, which means any impression about consistency is built on almost nothing.

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u/neha_rahimi8 points·11 months ago·edited

Yes — nothing containing this is approved anywhere, which is the first fact and usually the last one mentioned.

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u/cold_chromatogram_only-14 points·11 months ago

Bought small because the evidence base is early. That is the only defensible position I could construct.

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u/cato_girard1 point·11 months ago

glucagon agonism and energy expenditure is the mechanistic thread

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u/cesar_ivaturi0 points·11 months ago

Cosigning on the glucagon arm. It is the mechanistic thread that connects the hepatic and the metabolic effects.

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u/liver_enzyme_liz1 point·11 months ago

That is an escalation schedule for an unapproved compound and this board does not host those.

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u/endotoxin_elliemicro6 points·11 months ago

Careful with the mechanism claim. Glucagon agonism is plausible as an explanation and it has not been isolated as the operative one.

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u/paper_trail_paulavetting7 points·11 months ago

What does the tolerability table say at that dose?

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u/rania_salinasOP5 points·11 months ago

Looked for independent results across this whole site and found almost none. Worth knowing before forming an opinion.

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