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[Discussion] we are measuring mg/mL at the wrong time and calling it noise

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Thinking out loud about this: we are measuring mg/mL at the wrong time and calling it noise.

If your calculation produces a fraction of a unit, the concentration is wrong for your dose. Change the water volume until the numbers land on whole units.

Research-use-only material is not approved for human use, so treat everything in this thread as arithmetic about solutions rather than instructions for a person.

Reconstituted at 2mL when I meant to use a different volume. Caught it because the units looked wrong on the barrel. Now I write 15mg/mL on the glass before I put the cap back.

Would rather be corrected in public than confident in private.

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u/ilias_cabrera517 points·2 years ago

The lyophilised cake displaces a small volume, so the true concentration is very slightly lower than the arithmetic suggests. It is a fraction of a percent and it is dwarfed by fill tolerance.

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u/gradient_goblin168 points·2 years ago

Yes. Writing 5mg/mL on the vial takes four seconds and removes the entire class of error this board exists to fix.

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u/vial_math_verasyringe math57 points·2 years ago

Adding more water does not change how much peptide is in the vial. It changes the concentration, which changes the volume you draw for the same amount. That is the entire relationship.

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u/anya_antonsen39 points·2 years ago

bacteriostatic water has the preservative, sterile water does not

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u/ines_lindqvist51 points·2 years ago

Not quite. Bacteriostatic and sterile water are not interchangeable for a multi-draw vial, and the difference is the preservative.

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u/ruben_cabrera207 points·2 years ago

Yes.

gradient_goblin has the units point exactly right. They are a volume on the barrel and nothing else.

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u/escrow_evangelist0 points·2 years ago

gradient_goblin has the units point exactly right.

Right, and the arithmetic behind it: 10mg in 2mL is 5mg/mL, so 0.25mg is 5 units.

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u/emil_wojcik360 points·2 years ago

What is written on the vial right now?

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u/anjali_tamm339 points·2 years ago

Right — the volume you add is the only variable you control here, and the cake does not change it meaningfully.

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u/units_not_mgMOD205 points·2 years ago

Working has to be shown on arithmetic posts. Added a note asking for it rather than removing this one.

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u/karl_fischer_kev203 points·2 years ago

Agreed on the swirl. There is no reason to shake it and a good reason not to.

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u/sock_puppet_spotter209 points·2 years ago

Why "more water" keeps confusing people, including me for a month.

The vial contains a fixed amount of peptide. Water changes nothing about that amount. What it changes is concentration, and concentration is the divisor between the dose you want and the volume you draw.

So doubling the water halves the concentration and doubles the units for the same dose. Nothing is diluted in any sense that matters; you are simply reading a bigger number off the same barrel. Pick the water volume that puts your usual dose on a whole number of units and life gets easier.

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u/anjali_tamm89 points·2 years ago

Cosigning the round-number approach. Reconstituting to something awkward is how you end up drawing 27.5 units at six in the morning.

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u/emil_wojcik37 points·2 years ago

if the maths gives you a fraction of a unit, change the concentration

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u/bac_water_banditreconstitution28 points·2 years ago

Bacteriostatic or plain sterile water?

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