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c/orforglipron·posted 6 months ago by u/lina_novak

the ATTAIN question that gets asked weekly, answered properly

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Something I keep coming back to: the ATTAIN question that gets asked weekly, answered properly.

Holding off on any opinion until phase 3 reports. That is not a satisfying position and it is the honest one.

The analytical point, which this board keeps getting wrong by importing habits from the peptide side.

For a peptide, purity is typically reported as area percent by HPLC with identity by mass spectrometry, and the impurity classes are things like deletion and oxidation products. For a small molecule the relevant impurities are synthetic intermediates, degradants and residual solvents, and identity is established differently.

So the certificate you would want looks different, the questions to ask are different, and a "purity" figure quoted here is not comparable to one quoted on the peptide boards. Anybody posting a result should say what method produced it, which is good practice everywhere and essential here.

What is actually known, and what is being assumed.

Known: it is a small-molecule GLP-1 receptor agonist, dosed daily, with clinical programmes reporting in both obesity and type 2 diabetes. Its tolerability profile broadly resembles the class in the data published so far.

Assumed, frequently and confidently: that milligram comparisons with injectables mean something, that adherence is straightforwardly better because it is a tablet, that peptide purity discussions transfer to it. None of those hold. And nothing containing this compound is approved anywhere, which makes research-use-only material exactly that — not approved for human use.

Happy to answer the boring questions. Those are usually the ones worth asking.

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u/clara_weiss106 points·6 months ago

Oral semaglutide is a peptide co-formulated with an absorption enhancer and carries food and water timing requirements. A small molecule does not have that constraint, which is the practical distinction.

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u/honest_syringe_maybe61 points·6 months ago

Right, and comparing milligrams between a small molecule and a peptide is meaningless in either direction.

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u/yara_boateng90 points·6 months ago

Right, and comparing milligrams between a small molecule and a peptide is meaningless in either direction.

Agreed, and it is why the oral peptide comparison keeps misleading people.

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u/clara_weiss-34 points·6 months ago

Are you comparing doses across a small molecule and a peptide?

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u/cato_batista1 point·6 months ago

Small fix — the two programme names got swapped upthread and it changes which population the figure came from.

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u/whois_wanda39 points·6 months ago

Read both programme names carefully after mixing them up in a comment and being politely corrected.

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u/chidi_yilmaz10 points·6 months ago

daily dosing, not weekly, so the exposure profile is different

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u/lina_novakOP22 points·6 months ago

Correction: that is the oral peptide product, which is a different thing entirely. This one is a small molecule.

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u/gustav_solberg26 points·6 months ago

phase 3 is where the comparison becomes fair

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u/ewan_hovland7 points·6 months ago

Nothing containing this compound is approved by any regulator, and research-use-only material is not approved for human use.

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u/soren_yildiz17 points·6 months ago

What analytical method was used — this is not the usual peptide assay question?

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u/cloudy_vial_carol18 points·6 months ago

Spent an evening reading about small-molecule agonism at a peptide receptor. Genuinely interesting engineering.

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u/reship_roulette0 points·6 months ago

Phase 2 or phase 3?

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u/chidi_yilmaz8 points·6 months ago·edited

Spent an evening reading about small-molecule agonism at a peptide receptor.

cloudy_vial_carol is right that milligram comparisons across classes tell you nothing.

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u/phase_two_peteMOD19 points·6 months ago

Corrected a cross-class dose comparison in the title. The body is untouched.

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u/pancreatitis_scare8 points·6 months ago

Agreed that phase 3 is where the comparison becomes fair. Everything before it is inference.

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u/yara_boateng2 points·6 months ago

It is a non-peptide small-molecule agonist at the GLP-1 receptor. That is a substantial medicinal chemistry achievement: getting a small molecule to activate a receptor evolved for a peptide ligand.

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u/freya_marchand14 points·6 months ago

Went looking for independent testing on this and found essentially nothing, which was clarifying.

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