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c/meta·posted 2 years ago by u/cold_chromatogram_only

reading meta threads from 2024 and half of it aged badly

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reading meta threads from 2024 and half of it aged badly. Change my mind, genuinely — I have no stake in being right about this.

Sorted by controversial for a week and found four of the best threads I have read here.

Had a post removed, went to modmail, got a specific explanation and disagreed with it politely. It stayed removed and I understood why.

Read the ranking formula out of scepticism and reproduced the ordering in a spreadsheet. It does what it says.

That is everything I have. The rest is opinion and I have tried to keep it out.

1,790 up / 169 down91% upvoted26 commentsid a8q64s11 Jun 2024

26 comments

19 in this archive, depth 5

best — the order this archive was captured in

u/quiet_moderatormod98 points·2 years ago

How a rule actually changes here, since people assume it is arbitrary.

Somebody posts a proposal with replacement wording — not a complaint, actual text. It gets argued about, usually for a week or two. If it survives, it goes in with whatever amendments came out of the argument, and the change is announced with the reasoning attached.

The reason wording is required is that it is the only thing that can be evaluated. "The vendor evidence rules are too strict" cannot be adopted, rejected or amended. A proposed sentence can. Several rules on this site started as a comment in a thread like this one, which is the strongest argument for the process.

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u/mod_ambulatoryMOD51 points·2 years ago

Left up and flaired Proposal — it has replacement wording, which is what this board asks for.

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u/sterile_field_steph74 points·2 years ago·edited

I would not archive earlier. The old threads are the most-searched thing on the site.

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u/hedda_aguirre49 points·2 years ago

Careful — that would make individual moderation cases public by default, which is worse for the person complaining.

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u/dose_creep_dan13 points·2 years ago

Yes. Nobody here is paid and the disclosure page says so in tedious detail, which is the correct level of tedious.

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u/mod_ambulatoryadmin10 points·2 years ago

evidence rules are strict here on purpose

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u/sanne_laurent4 points·2 years ago

no referral links, no affiliate links, not once

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u/cold_chromatogram_onlyOP2 points·2 years ago

no referral links, no affiliate links, not once

sanne_laurent is right that the strict evidence rule is the asset, not the friction.

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u/camila_kowalski1 point·2 years ago

The evidence standard on the vendor boards requires a document, a date or a named service behind any claim about a supplier. It is what makes those threads worth reading years later.

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u/ines_boateng3 points·2 years ago

Is this about a policy or about an individual removal?

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u/cold_chromatogram_onlyOP8 points·2 years ago

Which rule specifically, and which part of it?

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u/nora_lundgren10 points·2 years ago

Have you read the published formula, genuinely asking?

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u/hassan_castellanos13 points·2 years ago·edited

Edited a wiki page for the first time and nothing bad happened, which is apparently the point.

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u/viktor_laurent36 points·2 years ago

Argued against the strict evidence rule for a year. Then read a supplier thread on another site and stopped arguing.

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u/rosa_almeida24 points·2 years ago

What breaks if we make that change?

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u/nora_lundgren17 points·2 years ago

Same view — strict evidence rules make this board slower and make the archive worth reading in three years.

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u/rulebook_rachaelmod · c/meta11 points·2 years ago

Agreed that the top comment is not the best answer. The ranking optimises for early agreement.

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u/camila_marchand5 points·2 years ago

Right, and the storefront links on source pages are marked and disclosed, which is the honest way to do it.

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u/runa_wikstrom3 points·2 years ago

Small fix — archiving happens at a year, not at six months. It is in the published policy.

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