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genuine question about denial that I am slightly embarrassed to ask

Appeal Receipts ×3 Slow Clap ×1

The title is the whole question — genuine question about denial that I am slightly embarrassed to ask — but here is why I am asking.

Prior authorisation criteria are republished each plan year. A criterion that blocked you in one year may not exist in the next, so a denial is worth retesting after the turnover.

A peer-to-peer conversation puts the prescribing clinician in front of a reviewing clinician. It bypasses the correspondence cycle entirely and is often the fastest available route.

Employer-sponsored plans may be regulated differently from individually purchased ones, which changes both the appeal route and which regulator hears a complaint.

Screenshot none of this. Read the whole thread, including the parts where I am told I am wrong.

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u/neha_erdogan188 points·1 year ago

A denial letter is required to state a reason and to reference the criterion applied. That reference is the handle: request the clinical policy document by its identifier and answer it point by point.

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u/blunt_coldbox_notes79 points·1 year ago·edited

A denial letter is required to state a reason and to reference the criterion applied.

This is the whole method. Answer the criterion they named, not the decision in general.

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u/ireland_drugs_pay113 points·1 year ago

Yes — quoting their own policy bulletin back at them is far more effective than arguing in general terms.

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u/muscle_cramp_mo165 points·1 year ago

Yes — quoting their own policy bulletin back at them is far more effective than arguing in general terms.

Adding the underused one — external review. Independent, binding where it applies, and hardly anybody gets that far.

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u/pavel_nkemelu177 points·1 year ago·edited

Internal appeals are decided by the plan. External review is decided by an independent body and, where it applies, its determination is binding. They are separate mechanisms and the second is chronically underused.

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u/prior_auth_painappeals111 points·1 year ago

New plan year, entirely new criteria, and the denial that had been immovable in the autumn simply did not apply in January.

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u/nikhil_asante57 points·1 year ago

Asked for the policy bulletin by number and wrote the appeal against its criteria line by line. Approved on the second level after a flat first-level denial.

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u/nadia_trevino23 points·1 year ago

Correction: that is a formulary exclusion, not a prior authorisation denial. Different form, different route, different deadline.

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u/oskar_kaufmann8 points·1 year ago

a template letter that quotes their own criteria back is the strongest one

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u/hassan_chowdhuryOP-12 points·1 year ago

Has a peer-to-peer been offered or requested?

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u/line_petrov17 points·1 year ago

the second-level appeal is where things actually turn

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u/teodor_duarte116 points·1 year ago

Step therapy requires documented trial of preferred alternatives. It is not an argument to be won on merits; it is a record to be produced, and the record is what the appeal must contain.

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u/amylin_amyamylin39 points·1 year ago

the diagnosis code on the claim is doing more work than anything you write

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u/hassan_chowdhuryOP23 points·1 year ago

That criterion is from the previous plan year. The current bulletin has different wording.

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u/ilias_cabrera14 points·1 year ago·edited

That criterion is from the previous plan year.

hassan_chowdhury is right that this is documentation rather than persuasion. It took me a year to accept that.

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u/marta_marchand57 points·1 year ago

prior authorisation criteria change every plan year

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u/pavel_nkemelu83 points·1 year ago

ask for the denial reason in writing, always

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u/hassan_chowdhuryOP24 points·1 year ago

Missed a deadline because I counted from when I opened the envelope. That mistake cost me an entire cycle.

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u/neha_erdogan26 points·1 year ago·edited

prior authorisation criteria change every plan year

Agreed — and request the bulletin by number. They have to give it to you.

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u/canada_coverage31 points·1 year ago

Documented eighteen months of what had been tried in a one-page table. That table was the appeal.

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u/peak_area_peteanalytical70 points·1 year ago·edited

Step therapy requires documented trial of preferred alternatives.

Disagreeing with this line: the deadline runs from the letter date and treating it otherwise is expensive.

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u/curious_panel_only26 points·1 year ago

appeal in writing even when they say a call is enough

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u/arne_amankwah72 points·1 year ago·edited

Careful — the deadline runs from the date on the letter. Waiting for a call back can cost you the appeal entirely.

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u/step_therapy_s60 points·1 year ago

Spent six weeks arguing in general terms and got nowhere. Two paragraphs quoting their own criteria turned it around in eleven days.

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u/elin_lindqvist49 points·1 year ago

Small fix — external review is independent of the plan. The second-level internal appeal is not.

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u/bence_zielinski12 points·1 year ago

the denial letter names the criterion, start there

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u/valeria_grimaldi34 points·1 year ago

External review was the thing that finally worked. I did not know it existed until a thread on this board.

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u/ismael_nwosu11 points·1 year ago

Agreed. The denial letter tells you which criterion failed, and answering that specific criterion is the entire job.

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u/muscle_cramp_mo5 points·1 year ago·edited

keep every date, every reference number, every name of a department

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