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c/hplc·posted 1 year ago by u/honest_syringe_pls

unpopular opinion: most of what gets said here about integration is guesswork

Correction Clean Column ×7 Long Haul ×3

unpopular opinion: most of what gets said here about integration is guesswork. Not a hot take, just something I have not seen said plainly here.

Chased a ghost peak for three weeks. It was the plumbing. It is always the plumbing.

A shoulder that does not baseline-resolve cannot be quantified honestly. You can report it as an unresolved shoulder, which is useful information, or you can develop the method until it resolves.

Mass spectrometry answers identity. UV purity answers relative quantity under the run conditions. A document with one and not the other is answering half the question, and the half it answers should be stated.

Research-use-only material is not approved for human use and nothing here should be read as a recommendation to use it.

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u/valeria_cardoso-28 points·1 year ago

System suitability — repeat injections, tailing factor, plate count, RSD on area — is what tells you the instrument was fit for the measurement that day. Without it, the purity figure is unanchored.

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u/sig_figs_sammod · analytical1 point·1 year ago

ghost peak, check the plumbing first, it is always the plumbing

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u/gustav_solberg1 point·1 year ago

What did system suitability look like on that sequence?

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u/two_mil_or_one1 point·1 year ago

Carryover from a previous high-concentration injection looks exactly like a small impurity. The blank injection is four minutes and it removes the ambiguity entirely.

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u/cormac_roos1 point·1 year ago

Ran a blank after a high-concentration injection and found the carryover I had been calling an impurity.

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u/liv_okafor1 point·1 year ago

Disagree. Inter-lab spread of a point or two on this assay is ordinary and calling it a discrepancy misleads people.

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u/nabila_espinoza1 point·1 year ago

Cosigning the wavelength point. Half the disagreements in this board are two people looking at different detectors.

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u/medutest_mel128 points·1 year ago

Not convinced by that integration. Dropping the baseline there absorbs part of the shoulder into the main peak.

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u/honest_syringe_plsOP83 points·1 year ago

Correcting myself upthread: I said the gradient was linear and looking again it has a hold in the middle.

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u/zeynep_zielinski71 points·1 year ago

Resolution between two peaks depends on retention, selectivity and efficiency. A shallower gradient buys retention and usually resolution, at the cost of peak width and run time.

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u/honest_syringe_plsOP0 points·1 year ago

What wavelength, and what was the gradient?

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u/honest_syringe_plsOP1 point·1 year ago

That is area percent, not mass percent. The trace cannot give you the second one.

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u/medutest_mel58 points·1 year ago

UV response is not uniform across species. At 214nm you are looking at the peptide bond, which is why it is the working wavelength for this class; at 280nm you only see tryptophan, tyrosine and phenylalanine.

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u/ewan_tulloch46 points·1 year ago

Correction: that is a tailing factor, not a plate count. Different diagnostics for different problems.

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u/mass_spec_maggieMOD49 points·1 year ago

Method questions stay here; supplier claims go to c/vendorvetting with a document attached.

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u/matias_salgado24 points·1 year ago

Method questions stay here; supplier claims go to c/vendorvetting with a document attached.

Disagreeing with this bit: that spread is ordinary inter-lab variance, not a disagreement about the material.

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u/hazard_ratio_halstats30 points·1 year ago

Started reporting my own integrations with the baseline choice stated. Arguments in my threads dropped by about half.

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u/enzo_petrescu15 points·1 year ago

Started reporting my own integrations with the baseline choice stated.

hazard_ratio_hal is right — the integration choice is a decision and it should be stated alongside the result.

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u/liv_okafor19 points·1 year ago

Area percent is the integrated area of your peak over the total integrated area at one wavelength on one gradient. Change any of those and the number changes without the sample changing.

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u/ahmed_rasmussen8 points·1 year ago

Yes — system suitability first. Without it the number is an assertion about the instrument, not the sample.

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u/phase_two_pete18 points·1 year ago

Can you post the trace with the axes labelled?

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u/clara_danquah6 points·1 year ago

214nm sees the peptide bond, 280nm sees the aromatics

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u/insulin_syringe_ian34 points·1 year ago·edited

Careful — you are treating retention time as identity. Two things can co-elute and the trace will not tell you.

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u/ewan_marchand9 points·1 year ago

reproducibility beats resolution if you only get one of them

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u/valeria_cardoso6 points·1 year ago

How old is the column and roughly how many injections has it seen?

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u/hydration_hank9 points·1 year ago

Reading a trace posted here, in the order I actually look at things.

Axes first — if the wavelength and the time axis are not labelled, I stop. Then the baseline: where has it been drawn, and does the drawing absorb anything. Then peak shape: fronting, tailing, a shoulder that never resolves. Then the blank, if one was run, for carryover.

Only after all of that do I look at the percentage, and by then I usually know how much weight it deserves. The number is the last thing on the page and the first thing everybody argues about, which is exactly backwards.

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u/enzo_petrescu20 points·1 year ago

Sent the same vial to PeptideMeter and VendorInvestigate. 99.2% against a claimed 98.5%. The difference was the gradient, not the material.

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u/mass_spec_maggieMS9 points·1 year ago·edited

Sent the same vial to PeptideMeter and VendorInvestigate.

Adding one practical thing — run the blank. It answers this before anyone has to argue about it.

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u/bilal_adebayo8 points·1 year ago

Bought a second-hand instrument and learned more in six months of fixing it than in three years of reading traces.

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