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c/cryptopay·posted 2 years ago by u/jarno_cabrera

Germany: escrow, and what it actually costs here

Fees Cold Box ×8

Germany: escrow, and what it actually costs here, and I am aware this is a minority view on this board.

The sequence that makes this boring, which is the goal.

Ask which networks are accepted before you order. Pick the one with a sensible fee at that hour. Paste the address rather than typing it and verify the first and last several characters. Check whether the chain requires a memo. Send a test amount if the total is large. Wait for confirmations before treating anything as done. Save the transaction hash with the order reference.

Seven steps, most of them seconds long, and between them they eliminate every failure mode that gets posted on this board.

The one mistake that cannot be undone, and why it keeps happening.

The same token symbol exists on multiple chains. The wallet interface shows you the symbol prominently and the network in small type. Sending on the wrong chain to an address that looks perfectly valid usually means the funds are unrecoverable by either party.

The protection is procedural rather than technical: confirm the network in writing with the recipient before sending, verify the address format matches that network, and send a small test first. None of that requires understanding the chain — it requires treating the network field as the most important thing on the screen, which the interface design does not encourage.

What is and is not the supplier’s fault, since this board generates unfair complaints.

Not theirs: the network fee, chain congestion, confirmation time, the rate moving between quote and send, and a payment sent on the wrong chain. Theirs: which networks they accept, how quickly they credit a confirmed payment, and whether the address they gave you was correct and communicated clearly.

Keeping those columns separate makes the reports here far more useful. A thread titled "supplier took my payment" that turns out to describe forty minutes of unconfirmed transaction helps nobody and follows people around for years.

Research-use-only material is not approved for human use and nothing here should be read as a recommendation to use it.

637 up / 190 down77% upvoted5 commentsid 17qj2m29 Feb 2024

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u/sigrid_kaufmann41 points·2 years ago

Network fees are set by chain congestion at the time of sending. They are paid to the network, not to the recipient, and they vary by hour as well as by chain.

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u/gradient_goblin59 points·2 years ago

Rate quotes expire because the underlying rate moves. A short expiry is ordinary; urgency about your decision is a separate signal and should be read separately.

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u/chain_confirm_cpayments44 points·2 years ago

Which networks did they list as accepted?

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u/dizzy_on_standing36 points·2 years ago

keep the hash, it is the only receipt that exists

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u/neha_rahimi0 points·2 years ago

A token symbol identifies an asset, not a network. The same symbol commonly exists on several chains with incompatible address formats, and sending across that boundary is generally unrecoverable.

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