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c/coa·posted 2 years ago by u/sig_figs_sam

[Meta] the batch rule is doing its job and people should stop complaining

COA Clean Column ×5 The Quiet One ×1

the batch rule is doing its job and people should stop complaining. Short post, long comment section, probably.

Area percent is the peak area of your compound over the total integrated area, at one wavelength, on one gradient. It is a relative measure of what the detector saw, not a mass fraction of the vial.

UV at 214nm sees the peptide bond and picks up almost everything; at 280nm you are looking at aromatics only. Which wavelength the number came from is part of the number.

Related substances itemised individually is a much stronger document than a single total, because it tells you the shape of the impurity profile rather than its size.

If somebody has the same thing measured a different way, post it next to mine and we will see whether they agree.

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u/camila_lindqvist221 points·2 years ago

The PDF creation date being later than the analysis date is usually a re-issue or a re-export. It is worth one question and it is not evidence of anything on its own.

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u/purity_pedantanalytical149 points·2 years ago

Disagree that a lower number is automatically worse. A conservative claim that survives testing is worth more than an optimistic one that does not.

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u/anders_kuusela187 points·2 years ago·edited

Net peptide content is the fraction of the powder that is actually peptide once counterion, water and residual solvent are accounted for. A 99% pure acetate salt can still be about 85% peptide by mass.

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u/anya_moreau-14 points·2 years ago

the related substances line is where the story is

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u/emeka_chowdhury1 point·2 years ago

That is the catalogue certificate rather than the batch-specific one. Same layout, completely different status.

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u/anya_moreau1 point·2 years ago

identity and quantity are two questions and most documents answer one

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u/sig_figs_samOPmod · analytical0 points·2 years ago

Small fix — 214nm, not 280nm. It matters here because the impurity you are asking about barely absorbs at the longer wavelength.

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u/gastric_emptying_g1 point·2 years ago

Pushing back a little: a missing field is usually presentation, not concealment. Ask for the full document before drawing conclusions.

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u/blunt_coldbox291 point·2 years ago

Pushing back a little: a missing field is usually presentation, not concealment.

Agreed, and the practical version is: ask for the itemised table. If it exists, you get it.

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u/sig_figs_samOPmod · analytical76 points·2 years ago·edited

Does the lot on the vial match the lot on the page?

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u/blunt_coldbox2994 points·2 years ago

Ask what the stability statement was written against — temperature, light, and whether it was the lyophilised powder or the reconstituted solution. Those are three different claims.

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u/hassan_chowdhury62 points·2 years ago

Correction: that is net peptide content, not purity. Different number, different meaning, and the document says so if you read the row label.

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u/sig_figs_samOPmod · analytical35 points·2 years ago

Correcting myself upthread: I said the date was missing and it is on the second page, which I had not scrolled to.

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