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c/coa·posted 2 years ago by u/ismael_eriksen

the certificate of analysis question that gets asked weekly, answered properly

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the certificate of analysis question that gets asked weekly, answered properly, which sounds obvious until you try to state the evidence for it.

The PDF creation date being later than the analysis date is usually a re-issue or a re-export. It is worth one question and it is not evidence of anything on its own.

Sent one vial to VendorInvestigate and PeptideMeter. 99.4% and a claimed 98.5%. Cost me more than the vial and I would do it again.

LC-MS gives you identity; UV purity gives you a relative quantity. A document with the first and not the second, or the reverse, is answering half the question.

If somebody has the same thing measured a different way, post it next to mine and we will see whether they agree.

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u/ghrp_history-8 points·2 years ago

The four things a certificate must carry, and what each one is for.

Batch identifier ties the document to your vial; without it the document is about somebody else’s material. Date of analysis tells you when the number was true. Method — column, gradient, wavelength — is what makes the figure reproducible rather than asserted. Individual related substances give you the shape of what else is in there.

Everything beyond those four is welcome. Anything missing from them is a question to ask before you order, and in my experience the answer arrives quickly from the suppliers who have a batch record to draw it from.

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u/ahmed_rasmussen1 point·2 years ago

axis labels included, always

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u/low_appetite_lisa1 point·2 years ago

ask for the storage condition the stability statement was written against

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u/purity_pedantanalytical651 points·2 years ago

Why the same vial can honestly produce three different numbers.

Purity by area percent is relative to what the detector saw on one gradient at one wavelength. Net peptide content subtracts counterion, water and residual solvent. Mass of peptide per vial is net content times fill weight, and fill weight has its own tolerance.

So a document reading 99% purity, 6% acetate and 4% water is describing a vial that is about 90% peptide by mass, and every one of those numbers is honest. The mistake is treating the headline figure as the answer to "how much peptide did I get".

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u/tuva_aalto434 points·2 years ago

Yes — and the reason to ask for the whole page is that the interesting parts are the ones people crop out to fit a screenshot.

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u/aurel_boateng313 points·2 years ago

Ask what the stability statement was written against — temperature, light, and whether it was the lyophilised powder or the reconstituted solution. Those are three different claims.

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u/aurel_boateng183 points·2 years ago

I would not read a rounded figure as evasive. Plenty of documents round to one decimal as house style.

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u/emil_agyeman288 points·2 years ago

Careful — "the metadata looks odd" is a reason to ask a question, not a conclusion. Re-issues are ordinary.

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u/freya_baptista84 points·2 years ago

Agreed — the itemised related substances table is the difference between a document and a receipt.

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u/laila_wojcik230 points·2 years ago

the related substances line is where the story is

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u/bastian_moreau201 points·2 years ago

water content is on there and everyone skips it

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u/coa_janitormod · c/coa91 points·2 years ago

Does the lot on the vial match the lot on the page?

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u/nadia_fonseca32 points·2 years ago

Batch number and date of analysis, are both on there?

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u/low_appetite_lisa16 points·2 years ago

Agreed on asking for the storage condition. It is one line and it changes how you read the entire stability claim.

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u/ismael_eriksenOP7 points·2 years ago·edited

Area percent or net peptide content? They answer different questions.

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u/dead_space_doug83 points·2 years ago

batch number, date of analysis, method, individual impurities — that is the minimum set

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u/noor_cardoso125 points·2 years ago

redact your own name, never the batch details

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u/alcohol_aversion69 points·2 years ago

the lot on the vial has to match the lot on the page

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How to read a certificate of analysis and what it does and does not tell you. Area% versus mass%, identity versus quantity, water content, related substances, acetate counterions, and the difference between a vendor-supplied COA and an independent test on the vial you actually received.

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