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c/survodutide·posted 1 months ago by u/joaquin_ivaturi

[PSA] dual agonist is not what most of this community thinks it is

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Short public-service post: dual agonist is not what most of this community thinks it is.

Asked here what the difference was between the imaging and biopsy endpoints and got a genuinely excellent answer.

Went slowly because everything published describes a deliberate escalation. That is the extent of what I will say about it.

Spent an evening on the histology scoring system and understood the trial literature far better afterwards.

That is everything I have. The rest is opinion and I have tried to keep it out.

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u/renzo_asante24 points·1 months ago

The escalation schedules in the published protocols are slow and deliberate, and the tolerability tables show why. That is a description of the trials rather than a suggestion for anybody.

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u/injection_site_iris-23 points·1 months ago

Histological endpoints in this field are scored on biopsy: resolution of steatohepatitis without worsening of fibrosis, or improvement in fibrosis without worsening of steatohepatitis. Both are harder to achieve and to interpret than an imaging surrogate.

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u/nadia_bakker20 points·1 months ago

Agreed that the endpoint definitions matter enormously and almost nobody reads them before quoting a response rate.

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u/meera_sandvik16 points·1 months ago

not approved anywhere, and the boards forget that constantly

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u/milos_mensa24 points·1 months ago

Assumed the weight numbers were the point and was corrected. They are secondary to what this is being developed for.

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u/georgi_adebayo9 points·1 months ago

Yes — histological endpoints are a far harder bar than the surrogate measures people are used to quoting.

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u/britt_okwuosa4 points·1 months ago

Yes — histological endpoints are a far harder bar than the surrogate measures people are used to quoting.

This is the framing the board needs. It is a hepatic programme first.

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u/refund_ledger7 points·1 months ago

research material is not approved for human use, which is why the clinical record here is thin

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