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c/orforglipron·posted 11 days ago by u/muscle_cramp_mo

[Paper] ACHIEVE-1 glycaemic data vs the injectables

Paper Receipts ×4

ACHIEVE-1 glycaemic data vs the injectables, which sounds obvious until you try to state the evidence for it.

Spent an evening reading about small-molecule agonism at a peptide receptor. Genuinely interesting engineering.

Why "oral" is doing two completely different jobs in the sentences people write here.

Oral semaglutide is a peptide co-formulated with an absorption enhancer, which is why it comes with food and water timing requirements. This compound is a non-peptide small molecule that activates the same receptor, formulated as an ordinary tablet.

The practical consequences differ enormously: no timing constraints, a conventional manufacturing route, different stability behaviour, and a different analytical problem for anybody trying to verify identity or purity. Whenever a thread here compares the two, check which sense of "oral" each half is using.

Holding off on any opinion until phase 3 reports. That is not a satisfying position and it is the honest one.

Not medical advice, obviously, and nothing here is approved for human use. One person with a spreadsheet.

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u/deleted_my_history54 points·10 days ago

Because it is not a peptide, it is not subject to the same degradation pathways, does not require the absorption enhancers used for oral peptides, and can be formulated as a conventional tablet.

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u/scam_taxonomyc/scamalerts18 points·10 days ago

Push back: daily dosing is not automatically better adherence. It is a different failure mode, not a solved problem.

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u/lukas_delgado7 points·10 days ago

Yes — nothing containing this is approved anywhere, and the threads keep forgetting it.

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u/camila_vasquez45 points·10 days ago

Because it is not a peptide, it is not subject to the same degradation pathways, does not require the absorption enhancers used for oral peptides, and

This is the fact the whole board hangs on. Small molecule, not peptide.

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u/zeynep_ndiaye28 points·10 days ago

daily dosing changes adherence in both directions

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u/muscle_cramp_moOP41 points·10 days ago·edited

Went looking for independent testing on this and found essentially nothing, which was clarifying.

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u/flair_enthusiast21 points·9 days ago

a non-peptide agonist does not degrade the way a peptide does

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u/chidi_yilmaz5 points·9 days ago

What analytical method was used — this is not the usual peptide assay question?

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u/muscle_cramp_moOP-34 points·9 days ago

What analytical method was used — this is not the usual peptide assay question?

Adding the standing caveat — unapproved, and research material is not for human use.

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u/cato_batista14 points·10 days ago

Disagree. You are comparing doses across a small molecule and a peptide, which is not a comparison of anything.

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u/muscle_cramp_moOP8 points·10 days ago

Correcting myself: that was a phase 2 readout and I described it as phase 3.

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u/neha_krastev4 points·10 days ago

identity testing on a small molecule is a different analytical problem

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u/aksel_kjaer18 points·10 days ago

oral semaglutide is a peptide with an absorption enhancer, this is not that

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u/reship_roulette10 points·10 days ago

oral semaglutide is a peptide with an absorption enhancer, this is not that

Disagreeing with this bit: daily dosing is a different adherence problem, not a better one.

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u/discount_math_dm6 points·10 days ago

What did the tolerability table look like at that dose?

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