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c/coldchain·posted 1 year ago by u/noor_cardoso

[Question] how do you actually verify packaging

Question Slow Clap ×7

Trying to get a straight answer on this: how do you actually verify packaging.

Kept a vial at room temperature for eleven days by accident. Tested it out of guilt. It was fine.

Ordered from the warehouse in the Netherlands instead of origin and the transit went from a fortnight to 9 days. Entirely different proposition in August.

Split an order across two months deliberately to compare summer and winter transit on the same lane. Four days difference, same carrier.

Not medical advice, obviously, and nothing here is approved for human use. One person with a spreadsheet.

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u/sten_palacios82 points·1 year ago

Lyophilisation removes the water that drives most degradation pathways. That is why the dry cake is comparatively robust and the reconstituted solution is not.

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u/certified_referenceQC63 points·1 year ago

Lyophilisation removes the water that drives most degradation pathways.

Agreed, and a logger costs less than the vial you are worrying about.

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u/tidy_vialdrawer_watch2858 points·1 year ago

Push back: you cannot infer degradation from a temperature excursion alone. That is what testing is for.

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u/kian_ekstrom47 points·1 year ago

Right, and asking what the stability statement was written against is one line of email that reframes everything.

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u/nikhil_asante27 points·1 year ago

Disagree with the panic framing. Lyophilised material tolerates ordinary transit conditions far better than these threads imply.

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u/bence_ibarra14 points·1 year ago

Not convinced. A warm pack on day six is expected behaviour from a pack designed for four.

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u/ines_lindqvist38 points·1 year ago

Put a logger in three consecutive orders. Two never went above the range at all and the third spent four hours warm on a Friday. Cost me almost nothing to stop wondering.

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u/coldchain_karencold chain19 points·1 year ago

Cosigning the regional stock point. Ordering from a warehouse in Canada took the whole question off my table.

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u/search_before_post6 points·1 year ago

I would not freeze it in solution. That is a different failure mode and a worse one.

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u/kofi_ferreira20 points·1 year ago

ask which lines are held in regional stock before you order in July

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u/noor_cardosoOP15 points·1 year ago

That is the ambient temperature at the destination, not the temperature inside the box. The logger measures the second one.

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u/anya_rautio7 points·1 year ago

a warm gel pack tells you the pack failed, not that the material did

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u/nikhil_asante12 points·1 year ago

Agreed on seasonality. The same lane in February and August is not the same lane.

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u/fatima_yildiz5 points·1 year ago·edited

Careful. "The cold chain failed" is a strong claim and the evidence you have is a warm box.

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u/salma_vasquez2 points·1 year ago

Careful.

Disagreeing with this line only: freezing a reconstituted vial is not a safe default.

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u/honest_syringe332 points·1 year ago

a logger costs less than a vial and answers the question permanently

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u/noor_cardosoOP1 point·1 year ago

Do you know what storage condition the stability statement covers?

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